Which still doesn't make it canon.
As long as we don't have on-screen numbers for the Discovery and the Enterprise I'm not convinced that either is a lot bigger than the other, let alone that being a canon problem.
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As long as we don't have on-screen numbers for the Discovery and the Enterprise I'm not convinced that either is a lot bigger than the other, let alone that being a canon problem.
Whereas I say there's a huge legacy in the design of the classic ship. From Franz Joseph's original floorplans all the way to the perspective-cutaway in the Haynes' Enterprise manual. It's a lot of effort and love just to be swept under the rug.
As a separate entity it's fine, it's the whole replacing thing that rankles.
IIRC, Franz Joseph's floorplans and blueprints weren't "official" (not gonna call it canon
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Way back in 1975, such concepts didn't really exist. The point was to show the effort and love that's gone into fleshing out the Enterprise over the yearsIIRC, Franz Joseph's floorplans and blueprints weren't "official" (not gonna call it canon
I don't see them being swept away. I see them [blueprings and floorplans] as the separate entity. I had the originals and loved them. As long as they exist, they aren't swept away.
It sounds a little like "[insert movie remake] ruined my childhood"
I don't see it being swept away. Simply another interpretation.
Both can exist simultaneous and neither takes away from the other, in my view. I have Joseph's Tech manual, floor plans, Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, and so on. They are all worthwhile endeavors in my view and Star Trek is richer for more visuals of the Enterprise, not less.
If I can look at a map from the 70s or the poster I got from the Hobbit and say "That's Middle Earth" then it's ok what details are there. If I can look at a starship and say "That's the Enterprise, or a Constitution class" then I can accept additional details.
It isn't additional details. They've changed the shape of the ship. They've changed details, not added them. The impulse engines are different, the nacelle struts, the shape of the secondary hull, and so on...
Either the 60's ship is the Prime Enterprise or the Discovery version is. People can't have it both ways.
They can if they choose to.
Totally agree. And yet we’re in a bizarre situation where they are both the same ship.
The new Enterprise is even bigger on the inside.
Like one space is folded inside another.
Dimensional folding: easy if you’re a Time Lord.
Nothing bizarre about it. They are overwriting TOS a piece at a time. Cloaking devices, eye sight in the Mirror Universe, the Klingons, the D7. And now? The Enterprise.
Yep. I think the bizarre thing is that we’re supposed to look at those changes without question...
To be fair cloaking devices were already "overwritten" by Enterprise and the Klingons Discovery "overwrote" are the TNG Klingons, as they are distinct from the augment Klingons.
Those Klingons originated in TMP. Which is an extension of TOS. And Enterprise didn't give cloaks to the Klingons, and the production crew admitted they made a mistake with the Romulans.
Fair enough about the Klingons.
Wether the production crew made a mistake or not is IMO not important. It's there, on-screen and canon. But honestly, even if you count that as overwriting on DSC's part, with all the things you mention you end up with one line of dialogue, the lightning in one episode, the designs of a couple of characters in the movies, a ship class that appeared in three episodes of the show and some minor details of the Enterprise. The way you TOS is being overwritten "a piece at a time" makes it sound like there will be nothing left of TOS in two seasons of DSC.
Or it's a reinterpretation of the 60's style.They have changed details. Details. As a long time Trek fan, I've seen things change in Star Trek, visually and in continuity. This does not stress me in the least.
Looking at it purely from the viewpoint of what they’ve changed (for the sake of argument), there’s very little in DSC (visually) that is directly evocative of TOS at this point - hand phasers excepted. To follow the logic below:
At what point does a reinterpretation become a reboot? Are we looking at a slippery slope from “details” of the visuals to “details” of story and continuity?
DSC is canon because it’s been on the television. But how long is it before continuity elements of TOS become troublesome to the DSC writers for the pew pew pew story they want to tell (a war with the bolians or whatever) and they decide to extend their “reinterpretation” to the established history of the show?
I’m not arguing that DSC should look like the cage. But, to say it’s in the same continuity as the cage whilst so many “details” have been changed makes it hard to accept. I don’t like the new “details” of the Enterprise (but I’m not going to get into that because it’s like flogging a dead Selaht at this point haha!) but I’d be mollified if they wrote a scene in s2 where the nacelle struts fold up and become straight and they shut the blast door for the bridge window...
I'm not saying that you're wrong, I've just been giving my opinion on what I think. But, that said, visual aesthetics change. They are not gonna keep it the same to appease fundamentalists. Best thing I can think of is this: think of the different interpretations as a description from different eye-witnesses. One sees the Enterprise like it was in The Cage, one sees it with the spikes on the nacelles, one sees it without the spikes and one sees it like it was in DSC
I actually can.
Same here. One is not more or less Enterprise because of the other.
For me? Honestly I think that'll take a while. But I also don't think that we will get any big grave "errors" like a Bolian War. The contradictions will probably either stay at the same level they are currently or get less. But should the Bolian War come, I'll face it when it's onscreen
It probably also helps that I really only find the cloaking devices irreconcilable with that line from "Balance of Terror" and I don't find it that hard to imagine that one line didn't happen.
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