The Daughter of the 5th House

[Nakita Akita]

By the 24th century where you can live wherever you like on Earth, most human ethnic groups should have a Diaspora living away from their ancestral origins, and a significant number of humans should have at least one ancestor that was either of European origin (White), African origin (black), South East Chinese, Indian, Polynesian, Multi heritage etc no matter what their racial features look like.
The peoples of Americas, Western Europe and parts of Africa should be close to present day Brazil.
The next reboot of Star Trek should have the imagination to have crew looking like LeVar Burton and being from China, looking like Chris Pine and being from Nigeria, looking like Ken Urban and being born in Delhi and looking like George Taki and being Australian or from Africa. I bet they don't do it.

Well stated.
I've tried to bring this up a few times and then I get in trouble and people call me a racist.
I think the show needs to have people or a person with what we might think of as an obvious "Asian" name and be a "white" person say with freckles and Red hair.
Stuff like that.

My BF has family members that have "Nordic" names but look Asian.
It seems that Trek writers think this will trend downward in the future.

 

[Nyotarules]

Well stated.
I've tried to bring this up a few times and then I get in trouble and people call me a racist.
I think the show needs to have people or a person with what we might think of as an obvious "Asian" name and be a "white" person say with freckles and Red hair.
Stuff like that.

My BF has family members that have "Nordic" names but look Asian.
It seems that Trek writers think this will trend downward in the future.

People can be ignorant. I have the most Celtic names on Earth, there is nothing Celtic about my looks or heritage, believe me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

DISCO has a character with the very Greek sounding name of Philippa Georgiou played by a Chinese actress.

 

[Timewalker]

Meh... I'd say no. The gist of TOS was that the crew be multinational. Only Kirk & Bones are American.

In Star Trek IV, Sulu states that he was born in San Francisco. That should overwrite any of the novels or fanfics that have him born elsewhere, such as Japan or a colony world (as The Entropy Effect stated).

 

[Mojochi]

In Star Trek IV, Sulu states that he was born in San Francisco. That should overwrite any of the novels or fanfics that have him born elsewhere, such as Japan or a colony world (as The Entropy Effect stated).

Oops, I forgot that. Yeah Sulu is American, but they sure didn't imply that much on the old show

 

[Marynator]

The next reboot of Star Trek should have the imagination to have crew looking like LeVar Burton and being from China, looking like Chris Pine and being from Nigeria, looking like Ken Urban and being born in Delhi and looking like George Taki and being Australian or from Africa. I bet they don't do it.

I do agree with you how that'd be realistic and ideal, but I'm just not sure if we're ready for that, I could really see people getting upset. Like someone from India might be excited "They're going to have an Indian captain!", then get really crushed when a white guy is hired for that role, but still claiming to be ethnically Hindi, you know what I mean?

 

[Nakita Akita]

I do agree with you how that'd be realistic and ideal, but I'm just not sure if we're ready for that, I could really see people getting upset. Like someone from India might be excited "They're going to have an Indian captain!", then get really crushed when a white guy is hired for that role, but still claiming to be ethnically Hindi, you know what I mean?

Okay, but I think that is where people are headed.
My boyfriend has nieces and nephews that have Nordic names, Jewish names etc, but they look Asian. Because his Japanese heritage family members married white people, etc.

In the USA interracial marriage was against the law in some places until pretty recently.
Now it's pretty much not even something that is noticed. Is it?
Maybe I'm just clueless because for like a million years I have been with men of different 'races'.

 

[DonIago]

Oops, I forgot that. Yeah Sulu is American, but they sure didn't imply that much on the old show

Well, Sulu being born in SF doesn't mean he was raised there.

 

[johnnybear]

Well, Sulu being born in SF doesn't mean he was raised there.

But George was! And that's probably why they added that to his character's bible!
JB

 

[Nerys Myk]

But George was! And that's probably why they added that to his character's bible!
JB

George is from LA.

 

[Nyotarules]

I do agree with you how that'd be realistic and ideal, but I'm just not sure if we're ready for that, I could really see people getting upset. Like someone from India might be excited "They're going to have an Indian captain!", then get really crushed when a white guy is hired for that role, but still claiming to be ethnically Hindi, you know what I mean?

An 'Indian' captain does not need to be from India, that is the point I was making. In the Vanguard novels where writers have more freedom about these things. A Britishborn Indian first officer works on the starbase, considering in RL the UK has 13% of its citizens who are not of White British descent, in 200 years that number might double.
Just as real life ethnic groups have a Diaspora, Star Trek should reflect that, after all it reflects the largest Diaspora of all.....White non indigenous Americans.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Once upon a time there was a thread about Lwaxana Troi / Majel Barrett.

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, Sulu being born in SF doesn't mean he was raised there.

Exactly. In ENT Archer tells Phlox that he comes from upstate New York yet also later in the series says that he grew up in the San Francisco area. He clearly left New York State at some point, possibly when he entered flight school as a teenager or young adult.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

We've seen instances where people groups colonize a planet with members of their own group for the express purpose of preserving their own heritage (Sub Rosa, Up The Long Ladder, Journey's End) and even where aliens have decided to do the same for Humans (The Paradise Syndrome).

It would seem that as Earth's population becomes more mixed, some peoples decide to rebuild their original country/society elsewhere. Granted, not all members of a colony are full-blooded members of the particular people group they identify most strongly with...

 

[2takesfrakes]

Once upon a time there was a thread about Lwaxana Troi / Majel Barrett.

Quite so ...

Here she is in HAVEN, the least objectionable of her appearances on STAR TREK, in my opinion:

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And were it not for Lwaxana Troi, we would've never gotten to know her thirsty valet, Mister Homn:

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[TribbleFeeder]

We’re definitely procreating more outside of our races and ethnicities, but wouldn’t it take a lot longer than 100-200 years to see a visible change in people all over the world due to procreating between different races/ethnicities?

Especially when there are cultures where this is not only heavily discouraged upon, but pretty much illegal to do. I mean I live in Philly where it’s super common and accepted to be in a bi-racial relationship, but there are places in the world where there’s a lot of adversity toward it. Is 100 or 200 years long enough for the world to intermixed physically—so much that we would see a bridge crew (or any a small group of individuals) having several members that would be a statistical representation of it?

(This is purely a biology question asking if it’s possible for humans to do within this time span. I’m not trying to make any political statements at all.)

 

[johnnybear]

George is from LA.

Really? I did not know that! I know he has lived in SF for many years though and that's probably why they added it to the story!
JB

 

[Timewalker]

Well, Sulu being born in SF doesn't mean he was raised there.

What difference does it make? I have no idea if the accents of San Francisco and Los Angeles are so different, or if there are cultural differences that would mean it matters in the 23rd century.

George Takei was born and raised in California, and as far as we know, so was Sulu.

But it's just downright weird that Lwaxana and Deanna don't appear to have much in common other than genetics. Deanna had to have been living, studying, or working with people with some other accent, to have adopted that as her own, if Lwaxana's is "Betazoid standard."

 

[MacLeod]

What difference does it make? I have no idea if the accents of San Francisco and Los Angeles are so different, or if there are cultural differences that would mean it matters in the 23rd century.

George Takei was born and raised in California, and as far as we know, so was Sulu.

But it's just downright weird that Lwaxana and Deanna don't appear to have much in common other than genetics. Deanna had to have been living, studying, or working with people with some other accent, to have adopted that as her own, if Lwaxana's is "Betazoid standard."

Or perhaps Lwaxana's accent is the Betazoid equivalent of Received Pronunciation.

 

[cooleddie74]

We know she didn't inherit her accent and way of speaking from her father. The one time we saw Ian Andrew Troi in "Dark Page" he spoke with a very American-sounding accent.