Alex Kurtzman Gets New Deal With CBS, Will Expand 'Star Trek' TV
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I'd have to agree with that. The movie felt like a long episode and not really like a movie.
As for an animated series, I'm all for it. It could even be an anthology series using the actors of the various shows to make appearances or something entirely new. Star Wars has had success with their animated shows, perhaps something similar can be accomplished with Star Trek.
As for an animated series, I'm all for it. It could even be an anthology series using the actors of the various shows to make appearances or something entirely new. Star Wars has had success with their animated shows, perhaps something similar can be accomplished with Star Trek.
It's not even a good TV story.
The narrative's fatal flaw is that no one cares about the blight of yuppie white people living in a commune in Northern California.
But if it actually had the budget due a proper feature film and made the Ba'ku truly alien, people would have found them way more compelling and sympathetic.
The narrative's fatal flaw is that no one cares about the blight of yuppie white people living in a commune in Northern California.
But if it actually had the budget due a proper feature film and made the Ba'ku truly alien, people would have found them way more compelling and sympathetic.
I've been off most of the day. I can't read through all of this. What have I missed out on?
Just the usual. Every insight with my name on it is correct, the others... dodgy.
The existence of critically acclaimed sci-fi movies like Arrival in recent years makes it clear to me that there still is an audience for sci-fi films which are not dumb action blockbusters where the heroes defeat the bad guy. If only someone would tell Paramount that.
Given that was not was announced, I don't see how that conclusion can be made.
I still think the best TNG movie wasn't a movie, technically. It was "The Best of Both Worlds". Seeing it in a theater in 2013 made me even more sure of it.
Arrival was great. As was Interstellar.
I'd love if Star Trek could make movies like those. A Quentin Tarantino Star Trek film wouldn't lead to it but it could show that it's possible to do more than one type of Star Trek movie today -- because it'll be very different, no matter how it turns out -- and maybe that could be what would eventually lead to it once the mold is broken. Once there's no standard One Way, you can do anything.
On that note...
Just imagine a movie about the Kelivn-TOS crew going back in time to fight climate change in the early 21st century. The half of America that voted for Donald "global warming was created by and for the Chinese" Trump would not be that enticed, I imagine. So, what I'm saying is I'm not opposed to the idea of that movie
I fully support this idea.
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No time travel story withstands scrutiny. Best to just go with the flow and hope to be entertained.
I'm not sure that's true. I'll confess that it's a rare beast that does so, but I think that a time-travel story that addressed and incorporated quantum branching theory as well as self-consistent causal loop element could work.
Well, obviously, if time travel were ever discovered in the real world, that would be a game-changer, and it would then be possible to construct fiction involving it that could withstand any level of scrutiny.
It would be a hoot if, when they do the Picard series, they pull a twist and say "This is what was happening in the 24th Century while you weren't looking!" and left people disoriented at first wondering, "What's going on? What the Hell happened?"
Picard needs to flex his muscles as a diplomat and an intellectual and it would be nice to see those skills put to the test. Get as far away from Action Hero Rambo Picard as possible. He's had his mid-life crisis, he's gotten it out of his system, and now it's time to get back to business.
If they really wanted to be current, they could make Picard into a Bernie Sanders type and contrast him to a post-DS9 Alpha Quadrant that's been changed for the worse by the Dominion War and, two decades later, has become worse even still.
There's no way the Federation would've come out the same after that war and I don't think it would've gone back to the way it was in TNG. The question would be: did it learn right things from its experience or the wrong things?
If the Federation learned the wrong things, Picard could stand up and say "That's not who we are!"
Picard needs to flex his muscles as a diplomat and an intellectual and it would be nice to see those skills put to the test. Get as far away from Action Hero Rambo Picard as possible. He's had his mid-life crisis, he's gotten it out of his system, and now it's time to get back to business.
If they really wanted to be current, they could make Picard into a Bernie Sanders type and contrast him to a post-DS9 Alpha Quadrant that's been changed for the worse by the Dominion War and, two decades later, has become worse even still.
There's no way the Federation would've come out the same after that war and I don't think it would've gone back to the way it was in TNG. The question would be: did it learn right things from its experience or the wrong things?
If the Federation learned the wrong things, Picard could stand up and say "That's not who we are!"
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Maybe you don't like the leading up to TOS-focus that Coto brought to the series - which more accurately reflects the original idea of a prequel series - but I think even you would have to agree that season 4 is better than the other three.
Wow of all the opinions I have seen of Beyond, I don't think I have seen someone say that Beyond had the same style as the other two. Sure the visuals were consistent, but the approach to the characters was totally different and, in my opinion, better.
Without wanting to start an argument I have to disagree there - I thought “beyond” was the only one of the 3 that felt like a Star Trek film and I attributed a lot of that to pegg’s input.
But I know a lot of people didn’t like STB for various reasons and I can see how beyond uses many of the same tropes of previous Trek films (bad guy wants revenge, big black ship - well a swarm in this case - we all have to work together as a family and so on), but I really did enjoy beyond in a way that I didn’t enjoy the previous two. I vehemently dislike Into Darkness (I don’t rate Wrath of Khan that highly to be honest so I didn’t feel it needed to be remade, particularly as badly as it was), but I enjoyed the 2009 one for the most part so the Kelvin films have been a mixed bag for me.
I think beyond worked for me because my favourite original series film is The Search for Spock and beyond hit many of the same notes as STIII did for me (I’m gonna get so much crap for that! Haha!). Ok I wasn’t anything like as emotional when the Church Enterprise got blown up as I was when the Jeffries Probert Enterprise was destroyed in STIII but I liked the story of Beyond overall.
I feel like I had a point when I started this post - oh yes, overall I agree that Pegg should be given a shot at writing for Star Trek. I think he’d do a good job
I agree with you on most every point. I enjoyed Star Trek 2009, but it has major script/logic problems. These return for Into Darkness and made it the only Trek movie that I disliked while watching and disliked ever since (rewatching Nemesis recently, i found it is not as bad as I remembered it, but still bad).
I have to assume this is sarcasm. It is in no way splendid in virtually every particular. Not one single plot point or character decision makes the slightest sense in the entire movie. Sure, watch it with your brain off and you get a decent action movie with some shooting and explosions, but think about it for the briefest second and it all comes crashing down.
Wow, jump to conclusions much? Well, yes, actually you do.
I wanted to highlight this, because this is exactly what so many people who are complaining about Kurtzman are missing. He won't be running or writing these shows himself, he is just developing the concepts and through his production company probably producing them. That is where he has skills and value. Don't discount these shows yet.
Sounds like a personal problem to me. I can't imagine how any self-professed Trek fan cannot know about Discovery. This one is not CBS's fault.
To me the whole thing makes plenty of sense (but I love "All Good Things..."). Each time travel premise has certain rules about how things work, how changes affect things, how changes are perceived by the characters. Like "Back to the Future" where the actual affect of Marty undoing his existence starts happening as soon as he goes back, but doesn't actually, finally take place until his parents do/don't kiss on the dance floor - that is just how time travel works in BTTF. Similarly in "All Good Things...": whether it is because Q is moderating things and giving Picard a chance at fixing things, the effects of the anti-time anomaly don't "take effect" and wipe out the present until the effect propagates backward in time (and even then we only see that event because Q takes Picard there, it doesn't take place in "real time"). Using your logic Picard wouldn't even exist in that moment due to the future effects from that moment and thus could never be present to see it - and taking it a step further, the show shouldn't even exist because the anomaly results in a paradox. Yeah, maybe it comes down to Q holding things steady or creating 3 parallel timeframes or whatever, but the point is that within the narrative the rules stay consistent: how the anomaly works, how the intersection of the "three" anomaly times/locations align (minus the one part, that the writers agree on that they messed up by not having the anomaly present when the Pasteur first arrives). If one cannot accept that this is how time travel works in AGT, if one insists that that is not how "real" time travel works, then of course the show won't "make sense". Ultimately, the whole episode is an exercise in testing Picard/humanity, and provided the internal rules of the "test" are consistent, whether they make sense in the real world (with no real world data on how time travel works) is irrelevant.
Big dumb action adventure movie - predictable story, loud, brash, chase, villain to defeat, 'superhero' fight at the end, yeah, what's to love ?
I'll admit part of my dislike is because I really did expect a lot more. A smidge of extra characterisation didn't cut it.
I don't know about all the plot points or character decisions, but last time I watched it, there was one thing that really stood out much more ridiculous than anything else. The idea that the crew refused to get to escape pods as the ship was going down... over Earth! I mean, who did they think they were saving? Everyone could have gotten out safely (as far as they knew) and just lost a ship. I mean, it's not like the Enterprise in the JJ films feels anything like it's a character of the show like it had in previous incarnations.
Yeah, its not a thinking piece Trek story, but that isn't always required. I did like the idea behind the bad guy though not necessarily his execution. The heavy makeup (reminds me of Voq in Discovery) and leaving the reveal until too late provides no chance to build rapport with him, to understand his complaint. It just became a twist for twist sake, but since we spend little time with him and more with the crew, I am fine with it.
I agree that the superhero fight at the end is unnecessary. The "plot" part of the movie should have ended with the crash in the city plaza. Every time I watch Beyond, I start fast forwarding the movie at that point until we get to the character stuff with Kirk, Admiral Paris, Spock, etc. Totally unnecessary and just drags.
Even with such great dialog in season 3 as "Guards! Take the prisoner away!"? Made me cringe every (both) times I watched it.
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