I must dip out here because I might get a slap for derailing so last reference to the discussion. However there was an episode/concept (Dr. Who) where it was that people didn't die but continued to experience pain and fear after 'death'. So when they for example, were being cremated or having an autopsy, it was pretty grim. That was disturbing too.
Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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The list of distrubing things in that series is far longer and more substantial than Stargate.
And, we can continue on in PM if desired.
I like it when a fanbase of something tends to be skeptical and critical of new adaptations or sequels and I think it's a good thing that that attitude seems to be increasing.
Well while demanding perfection is wrong if a new product is worse than its predecessors it's often a waste of time and it can even retroactively somewhat hurt the predecessors.
I have yet to figure out how.
You know, I personally don’t necessarily think that TLJ is any better than ANH or ESB, but I have no problem a single Star Wars film exists. No Star Wars film, not even the vaulted ESB is perfect. They all have their flaws but even AOTC has some fans who rank it highly. I don’t share that love but I’m certainly not going to take their right to love it away from them. That’s why I always say art is subjective. Some hate a movie. Some love it. If we all liked the same things, life would be pretty boring.
I personally have never enjoyed ESB. But, by the logic expressed, ESB ruined ANH. And, in some ways, to me, it did. I didn't need Vader to be Luke's father, and certainly didn't need Leia to be his sister. It turned a lot of things on its head that didn't need it. By that logic.
Honestly, there is always something I can take away from a SW film. I don't have to like them all to appreciate the fact that they exist and the work done.
All I demand from Star Wars is some entertainment, some droids, things happen in ways that make sense to me and Jar Jar Binks doesn’t show up. So far I’ve only had three disappointments and they at least had a few almost watchable moments and the Emperor hamming it up in ROTS is fun.
That one is RotJ's fault, at least. At the time they wrote ESB, the plan was to have a future movie focus on Luke traveling across the galaxy to find his lost sister. It was only once Lucas got sick of making Star Wars movies during the production of Jedi that he said 'fuck it' and wrapped the whole thing up by making Leia Luke's sister.
Sure, but ESB set the groundwork.
All ESB did was establish that Luke could call to Leia through the Force. It also has them kissing deeply. ROTJ adds all the sibling stuff in retrospect.
All true. The details aside (since I am not explaining clearly) I did not need ESB laying that groundwork, or ROTJ adding to it. By the logic espoused by my quoted post (context is everything), it ruins ANH in retrospect. That's my point. Let's not cherry pick when I was building off of another post.
There's also Vader feeling through the Force that Luke was on the Falcon when he was really training on Dagobah.
I have yet to figure out how.
Some examples, it's pretty hard to watch a film with a sequel and not consider that
Star Trek II-Spock is revived next film (although that happening admittedly is a little obvious even within the film)
Aliens-Newt is soon after killed off
Spider-Man 2-Peter soon after goes to the other extreme of cocky/jerky and annoying dancer and, for both the films, that the thief Peter let go and then chased actually killed Ben kind of by accident and another thief was involved
Many have also felt that the prequels hurt RotJ and Anakin's redemption because they actually make young Anakin less sympathetic and more monstrous, especially with him killing children soon after he joined the bad side. I think they change Obi-Wan pretty strongly, making him more manipulative by seeming to lie about a lot of things rather than just one big exceptional lie.
Also Yoda saying there was another potential Jedi hope. So the next movie would have to have either an awkward revelation about an existing character or an awkward whole new character (or, as initially planned, have the new character in VII and not conclude the fight against the Emperor until IX).
I don't care if Alden Ehrenreich isn't a big household name. I've been a fan ever since Hail, Caesar. And besides, the role of an underdog character like younger Han Solo demands to be played by a lesser-known actor. Harrison Ford wasn't exactly a huge name when he first played Han Solo, either.
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I can see that, but that's not my feeling. I don't sit down, watch a movie, and think "Oh, that person will eventually be ruined." To me, that's a rather odd way to engage a film.
Sometimes I prefer unknown actors for such a role
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