God, no. The last thing I want to see is more scenes of Barclay and Troi saving the heroes of a new show. And you know that's what would end up happening.
Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over
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God, no. The last thing I want to see is more scenes of Barclay and Troi saving the heroes of a new show. And you know that's what would end up happening.
Fuller was behind that according to whom?
Probably according to whoever really was responsible for it.
" It was former showrunner Bryan Fuller and current co-showrunner and executive producer Aaron Harberts who pushed to update the look of the Klingons. Harberts says there was no particular story reason for the change, but that they are simply keeping with the 50-year tradition of updating the Klingon’s appearance for each new iteration of the franchise.
“In the different versions of Trek, the Klingons have never been completely consistent,” Harberts tells Entertainment Weekly. “We will introduce several different houses with different styles. Hopefully, fans will become more invested in the characters than worried about the redesign.” "
http://comicbook.com/startrek/2017/07/17/star-trek-discovery-why-do-the-klingons-look-different/
Oof. Yeah, THAT didn't work out. Despite the actress playing L'Rell being really good.
Bye, Mr. Harberts.
The idea that there's no stories to tell post-Voyager is really intriguing to me.
You have a whole galaxy filled with ideas. You have a rich canvas on which to paint, and you can use some of the colors in your palette, or combine them to make new ones. You can evade the purportedly harrowing "technology can solve everything" problem in any number of ways, some of which have been suggested by Kane and others in this thread. How about a technophobic element within the Federation that destroys energy sources? Just one stray thought. You can create analogies to modern events just as the best science fiction always has. And you can spend a little more time on member worlds of the UFP, even Earth, which we rarely got to see in the TNG/DS9/VOY era.
I just have trouble with people like Rick Berman (to whom we do indeed owe a debt) throwing up their hands and proclaiming that there's nothing more to discuss. Why not stop all creative writing and art forms of all kinds, then? Nothing new under the sun, right?
Not me. I'd like to see what is going on in the post-Voyager era, and not because I'm involved in fanfic. I've never read a word of it.
You have a whole galaxy filled with ideas. You have a rich canvas on which to paint, and you can use some of the colors in your palette, or combine them to make new ones. You can evade the purportedly harrowing "technology can solve everything" problem in any number of ways, some of which have been suggested by Kane and others in this thread. How about a technophobic element within the Federation that destroys energy sources? Just one stray thought. You can create analogies to modern events just as the best science fiction always has. And you can spend a little more time on member worlds of the UFP, even Earth, which we rarely got to see in the TNG/DS9/VOY era.
I just have trouble with people like Rick Berman (to whom we do indeed owe a debt) throwing up their hands and proclaiming that there's nothing more to discuss. Why not stop all creative writing and art forms of all kinds, then? Nothing new under the sun, right?
Not me. I'd like to see what is going on in the post-Voyager era, and not because I'm involved in fanfic. I've never read a word of it.
I did already discuss concepts for new species. Look back on the previous posts before complaining.
However, the Dominion are the most logical fit for this specific scenario, given that we are dealing with a post-war Alpha Quadrant around the 25th century, and it would seem redundant to have another war so soon after the Dominion war.
You can still take aspects of existing Star Trek lore, explore them in new ways and make them fresh. You don't want to have a Trek show completely disconnected from everything that came before. Then it will just be generic sci-fi series #46. It's a delicate balance.
My Star Wars example stands. Audiences today can jump into Episode 4, without having seen the Prequels. Vague backstory is given in Ep 4, but it's enough to fill audiences in and have the ramifications of past conflicts be felt by the characters.
Just because we're exploring the concept of Jem'Hadar as allies of the Federation doesn't make this fanservice in the slightest. It's a new angle to explore this species from set amidst the backdrop of a completely different and broken post-war Federation. No characters from the 90s crossing over. Basically a fresh canvas to take these species in new directions.
Yup. I laughed at that. This spore network nonsense has been so silly and out of place in this era of Trek.
LOL........ well if you think Discovery has "layered, complex, engaging and developed" characters... our conversation shall end here.
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The TOS era is full of powerful species with fantastic abilities that are never mentioned again in subsequent shows, if Discovery were to introduce beings that can control technology with their minds those aliens would fit right in with Organians, Talosians, the companion, Yarnak, Trelane, Apollo etc.
that seems to push a clear left/political agenda
Definitely didn't see an R-rated/mature level show. I saw a show that thought it was grown-up. But played like it was made by twelve year old kids snickering about how clever they are.
Didn't really see any agenda beyond what Trek has always been: diverse group of humans/aliens exploring the galaxy.
I think this is the best argument I've heard for a prequel series in a long time.
but...it's Star Trek!
It's funny how different things are important to different people.
Although I don't give a damn when/where a Trek show is set, I do know that when I heard they were making a new series, I was hoping it wouldn't be some eye-rolling post-Voyager show about the climate of the alpha quadrant after the Dominion War and destruction of Romulus with guest appearances by Nog and Tuvix.
I guess we all have our hang-ups.
Honestly, my preference would have been a complete re-boot of TOS done like BSG (not the same themes and tones, just the style of reboot). Say bye-bye to all this other shit and move on.
Although I don't give a damn when/where a Trek show is set, I do know that when I heard they were making a new series, I was hoping it wouldn't be some eye-rolling post-Voyager show about the climate of the alpha quadrant after the Dominion War and destruction of Romulus with guest appearances by Nog and Tuvix.
I guess we all have our hang-ups.
Honestly, my preference would have been a complete re-boot of TOS done like BSG (not the same themes and tones, just the style of reboot). Say bye-bye to all this other shit and move on.
I thought this thread was about the showrunners getting fired, but it has become About ideas for another series.
As to a post VOY series, that is what Hitler wanted too:
After 19 years here, on and off, I've come to the conclusion that if you let any thread on TrekBBS go on long enough, it'll devolve into "This is what I would've done!"
That's what I'd have done.
All anyone really seems to care about is having it done the way they would have done it.
I actually like to be surprised by something done differently than I would have done it.
No, I think it has the potential to have it. You are stacking up a character with seven years of development versus one year. Hardly fair or reasonable.
Most people just want it to be good. Pointing out the countless places in which it was not is not them demanding it be done the way they would've wanted it done. Only them wanting it done better. Any talk of it being set post voyager is because a prequel is filled with land mines. It can be done, and done well, but it's more difficult and ultimately the setting didn't help to tell a great story in season one. Wishing it is set in a place where there is mountains to build off of and an endless way to go, seems the logical place to set a Star Trek series if a reboot wasn't in the cards.
I think it worked fine.
