A question about Regeneration

[jaime]

Why would that be the case? If everything changes completely except the brain, wouldn't that include chromosomes?

I guess chromosomes to a lesser extent and DNA to greater would have to stay under older readings, just reshuffled...not least as it explains how Jenny matches the Doctor and ends up able to regenerate, and how things like the Rassilon Imprimatur work. Zygotes are an interesting question too, in the new paradigm, because they work differently across sexes.

 

[starsuperion]

We also don't know for sure that all Gallifreyans can regenerate, as opposed to just Timelords.

I know there's been a hazy differentiation between those at times. The Doctor has said "my people, the Timelords" and the whole thing about people "coming back to life" to continue fighting the Time War™, which could have been some item of Rassilon's in use rather than everyone having the ability.

I like to think the people coming back to life to fight again is more the result of Timey wimey stuff.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I like to think the people coming back to life to fight again is more the result of Timey wimey stuff.

Very possible. But they had a bunch of items in that vault they used before the cosmic Rubik's Cube was taken by the Doctor Captain Grumpy.

 

[jaime]

Very possible. But they had a bunch of items in that vault they used before the cosmic Rubik's Cube was taken by the Doctor Captain Grumpy.

Every time I read that nick name, it makes me realise that in some ways, Day Of the Doctor is a Top Gear special.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Every time I read that nick name, it makes me realise that in some ways, Day Of the Doctor is a Top Gear special.

That would've been an amazing crossover.

 

[jaime]

That would've been an amazing crossover.

‘It’s a big ball of wibbley wobbley timey wimey stuff’
‘Cock’
‘Can someone please tell me why there two Hammonds, and why one of them is a bit taller?’

Edit (had to have one more):
‘I was there at the fall of Arcadia, I witnessed the Nightmare Child eat the Never was and...’
‘All we know is, we call him the Stig’

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Another question:

When Time Lords regenerate, do their bodies then age normally, like a human body does?

I mean, assuming all this stuff about the 'Looms' is no longer binding, I would think that people on Gallifrey are born as babies just like humans are, then age until something causes them to regenerate. But after that, do their regenerated bodies age as well?

 

[Jinn]

Another question:

When Time Lords regenerate, do their bodies then age normally, like a human body does?

I mean, assuming all this stuff about the 'Looms' is no longer binding, I would think that people on Gallifrey are born as babies just like humans are, then age until something causes them to regenerate. But after that, do their regenerated bodies age as well?

They do age but at a much slower rate than humans. In The Day of the Doctor we first see the Eleventh Doctor as he usually appears and then later in the episode when he is 900 years older he is also physically aged.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I was also going to ask if Time Lords can recognize each other across regenerations, but I guess they would HAVE to, in a society where people are constantly changing bodies.

And some google fu has confirmed that most, if not all, Time Lords can recognize new regenerations of the same person.

 

[The Wormhole]

But after that, do their regenerated bodies age as well?

More or less, yes. Theoretically speaking, a Time Lord is born grows up, grows old, then eventually regenerates due to old age into a new body which ages until another regeneration to old age, and this cycle goes on thirteen times.

And some google fu has confirmed that most, if not all, Time Lords can recognize new regenerations of the same person.

IIRC, Time Lords are supposed to have a telepathic signature that never changes they can sense among each other. Indeed, in TEOT, Rassilon instantly recognizes the Doctor and the Master despite the fact both had regenerated since he last saw them.

Then there's weird situations where the Doctor doesn't recognize Missy until she reveals she's the latest Master, but eh.

 

[Jinn]

Maybe the Time Lords are in control of their telepathic signature, somehow, and Missy didn't want to be recognised by the Doctor. Or maybe Rassilon already had knowledge about all of their regenerations.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Then there's weird situations where the Doctor doesn't recognize Missy until she reveals she's the latest Master, but eh.

To be fair, it had been over a thousand years since he'd last seen him/her. Who's to say the telepathic signature didn't get somewhat altered with the gender flip? I'm sure that long kiss kinda had him thrown for a while too.

 

[The Wormhole]

To be fair, it had been over a thousand years since he'd last seen him/her. Who's to say the telepathic signature didn't get somewhat altered with the gender flip? I'm sure that long kiss kinda had him thrown for a while too.

The point of the signature is to give the Time Lords an identifier which stays the same even after regeneration. There's no reason something that stays the same after the body is completely altered behave any differently during a gender-changing regeneration.

A far more likely explanation is that Missy hacked into the Archangel Network to hide her signature, exactly as Simm Master did when he was posing as Mr. Saxon.

 

[jaime]

The point of the signature is to give the Time Lords an identifier which stays the same even after regeneration. There's no reason something that stays the same after the body is completely altered behave any differently during a gender-changing regeneration.

A far more likely explanation is that Missy hacked into the Archangel Network to hide her signature, exactly as Simm Master did when he was posing as Mr. Saxon.

I would go as far as to suggest it only works for natural born Time Lords, not any of the Masters various resurrection cut and shut jobs. Would explain Ainleys disguise tendencies too. Though Delgado quite liked those too.

 

[Iamnotspock]

I would go as far as to suggest it only works for natural born Time Lords, not any of the Masters various resurrection cut and shut jobs. Would explain Ainleys disguise tendencies too. Though Delgado quite liked those too.

What about the new regeneration cycle the Master clearly possesses post-Time War? It makes sense that the Doctor would fail to recognise the Master in his stolen bodies, but Gomez, natural in her natural regeneration? I suppose that lends credence to the idea that she used the Archangel Network or something similar to throw her old enemy off the scent. It's interesting that the Doctor doesn't recognise Jacobi as the Master when he's in his Professor Yana phase; it would seem that the Chameleon Arch blocks the telepathic signature somehow.

 

[The Wormhole]

it would seem that the Chameleon Arch blocks the telepathic signature somehow.

The Chameleon Arch turns Time Lords into humans, which apparently shuts down one of their hearts, and presumably makes them unable to regenerate. So it's not unreasonable to conclude the telepathic signature is also removed.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

I was also going to ask if Time Lords can recognize each other across regenerations, but I guess they would HAVE to, in a society where people are constantly changing bodies.

And some google fu has confirmed that most, if not all, Time Lords can recognize new regenerations of the same person.

Never mind that, i want to know where the Dr got such a massive horde of clothes, was he basically the Mr Ben of the time lords but instead of keeping a small momento from each adventure he seems to have kept all the clothes, and are they all stolen judging by how many times he has just grabbed a set and kept them, and how many times has he changed history by all this clothes stealing. lol

 

[jaime]

What about the new regeneration cycle the Master clearly possesses post-Time War? It makes sense that the Doctor would fail to recognise the Master in his stolen bodies, but Gomez, natural in her natural regeneration? I suppose that lends credence to the idea that she used the Archangel Network or something similar to throw her old enemy off the scent. It's interesting that the Doctor doesn't recognise Jacobi as the Master when he's in his Professor Yana phase; it would seem that the Chameleon Arch blocks the telepathic signature somehow.

Missy isn’t a natural regeneration though. The Master died and came back as hungry see-thru dude prior.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Missy isn’t a natural regeneration though. The Master died and came back as hungry see-thru dude prior.

Well, the hungry Master was definitely not a natural incarnation or regeneration after the botched resurrection, but assuming that version still had the remaining regenerations the Timelords gave him during the Time War™, I'd think Missy would be a normal regeneration. Or maybe the regeneration energy was stored in that ring.

I wonder if those Saxon groupies secretly got some tech from the Sisterhood Of Karn.

 

[jaime]

Well, the hungry Master was definitely not a natural incarnation or regeneration after the botched resurrection, but assuming that version still had the remaining regenerations the Timelords gave him during the Time War™, I'd think Missy would be a normal regeneration. Or maybe the regeneration energy was stored in that ring.

I wonder if those Saxon groupies secretly got some tech from the Sisterhood Of Karn.

They got their stuff from the Master, who picked it up who knows where. The sisterhood of Karn, in their various canon/exocanon bits, are basically exiles Time Lords to a certain extent. They used to be the yin to the the Time Lords yang, representing a matriarchal society based in ritual, vs the technology and reason of Male time lord society on gallifrey, both had fallen into a kind of stagnant stubbornness, but the sisterhood still helped out the home world here and there. The Doctor was sort of seen as bridging the gap between faith and reason, which is why he’s on good terms with the sisterhood. Funnily enough, in the books he did have an ointment from their sacred flame that helps regrow bits of the body.