Yeah, that was why he got in trouble. Are you not following the conversation?
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Nope.
Those folks at Bad Robot are the only ones who've done anything right with Star Trek in over a decade.
Do we know how many people donated to Axanar?
That's not saying much.
Uh, yeah. When the money ran out, AP ditched the studio and ran off to Georgia where he's currently letting people pay for the privilege of dusting the unfinished bridge set.
I'd argue that there was a lot of shit from about 1998 to 2005. A lot. Of shit.
I'd go back as far as 1996 and all the way to today...
You know the answer already.
I find that hilarious and sad at the same time.
Hahaha...
No.
Yeah, it's pretty much the default setting.
Bad Robot are a production company, not the Illuminati. If they were involved, the name would be in the credits somewhere.
Naaah, Dan, this is all true. Para Mobius told them so. Because... reasons.
The judge ruled he did profit. That’s enough for me.
I'd be surprised if the Kickstarter license you agree to when you sign up allows such class action lawsuits against Kickstarter. AP might be another story, though, 'cause Kickstarter already has their share of the money.
I'm not sure what to compare. Paramount actually MADE Star Trek movies... so...
They ARE a business....
He doesn't have a studio. He lost his fucking shirt because he didn't make the damn movie. Because he was trying to start a FOR profit business on the back of SOMEONE ELSE'S IP.
He. Has. Nothing.
You don't get a million dollars on Kickstarter on original things. That's why he used Star Trek.
lol. Sure.
Could only file against ap and he has no money so no lawyer would touch it with no chance to collect.
Lawsuits cost money, and on something like this, the lawyer will bill by the hour as it's just not enough money to put resources behind. In other words yes, a bunch of people gave $60 - $75 per person on average. Overall, it'll probably cost more money from those same people to pursue and litigate such a case.
Plus, even if the Plaintiffs got an award, it's up to them to collect; and if Alec peters already spent the money, at worst he declares bankruptcy; and at best the Plaintiffs turn it over to a collection companies and get pennies on the dollar (IE the Collection company pays out a portion of the settlement, and is entitled to the rest as a fee and they use their resources to make Alec Peters pay the rest.)
Overall, just not worth it to most folks, and no real guarantee given Kickstarter's TOS either.
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I think you're conflating two separate issues:
1) AP tried to profit from making a fan film.
2) AP ended up wasting all the film's funding and has yet to complete the film.
Assuming a film gets made, I'll leave it up to the backers to determine if they got their money's worth, and I have no interest in defending AP on this point. Neither would I defend his choices regarding the sound stage that he lost so much money on. It seems pretty clear that AP has wasted the backer's money. So let's set that issue aside for a moment.
I think what @Valenti is actually asking is something along these lines:
"If a franchise spends obscene amounts of money creating a film that the fans hate, and someone else comes along and creates a better film that costs a tiny fraction of the price to produce and is fan funded, should it matter to fans if the film maker makes a profit in that situation?"
Now, I have no doubt that you could fill an entire page telling us why it should matter to fans, but I think that question is far more interesting than "Is AP a crook?".
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