That was a Thousand Year Bird Of Prey, not a Millenium Falcon.
Visual Reboots: Ships...but not characters?
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This got a real chuckle out of me
It's not odd at all.
STD S1 didn't do the numbers they wanted. They want S2 to bring more attention to CBS All Access, so bringing in Enterprise 1701 and a TOS-accurate Pike is their way of getting the Trek fans back on board with STD.
Spock is next. Not surprised young Spock in flashbacks is coming, I called this way back in October.
You do know DSC was pretty much done with filming and writing before it aired right? Even if they wanted to add in 1701 because of numbers they likely wouldn't have had time. That decision was made well before the show aired.
They had decided to bring in the Enterprise before the show aired.
I'm hoping They give us a story in which Harry does become more like what we knew from TOS.
Perhaps some seminal moment in his younger years that causes him to rethink the murderous ways.
Having it involve the Discovery and her crew would just be a bonus in my book.
I liked the Mudd ep, but I'm not sure there's much value in trying to square the two characters. Mudd was created as a comical rogue, and his TOS escapades were intended to be light fun (though there are aspects that now look much worse to modern eyes). Discovery, on the other hand, made him a mass-murdering psychopath. (Although, admittedly, intending him to be a fun mass-murdering psychopath.)
Even if we assume he rethought his murderous ways, that, to me, wouldn't alleviate that they've made him so murderous in the first place.
Even if we assume he rethought his murderous ways, that, to me, wouldn't alleviate that they've made him so murderous in the first place.
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Which proves the show was creatively bankrupt from the beginning.
I don't like what they did with Harry, in terms of the implications for his character, but at least they did something different with him. And they got their best episode out of it, IMO. That's less creatively bankrupt than how they trotted out a lot of hoary Trek tropes unaltered, from "the Tardigrade must be freed" to the trip to the "just as one-dimensional as in the '60s!" Mirrorverse to Burnham's unearned speechifying at the end.
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I’d enjoy that too. And Wilson did a good job playing the new interpretation of the character I thought (at least in “magic”). I’d prefer a lighter toned episode with him in it. Season 1 of DSC was so very dark...I'm hoping They give us a story in which Harry does become more like what we knew from TOS.
Perhaps some seminal moment in his younger years that causes him to rethink the murderous ways.
Having it involve the Discovery and her crew would just be a bonus in my book.
Agreed. I think we can look too deeply into the negative interpretation of “mudds women” from a modern perspective. Mudd was the comic relief in TOS when all said and done. I hope they let DSC have some fun in season 2 for goodness’ sake! Mudd could be central to DSC’s “trouble with tribbles” or (dare I say it - it’s one of my favourite episodes) “magnificent ferengi”...
Didn't it?
Anyway, that's not a fact - it's what the producers claim.
These folks speak in publicity-ese only. Nothing they say should be taken as other than an effort to put the best PR gloss possible on everything about the series.
They would have had it planned out before the Season even finished airing. That scene with Burnham saying 'It's the enterprise' was filmed before they even aired the first half of the season.
Was DS9 creatively bankrupt when they brought in Worf?
I don't think you'll find consistency with a production as anarchic as Discovery. I'm glad to see at least one recast character filled by an actor who looks reasonably like the original for a change although Bruce Greenwood's acting was a high point of the JJ films (pretty much the only "grown up" in the whole bunch).
Thats just ethics.
Previous Trek explored moral philosophy, tracing a moral idea from it's logical formation, to it's logical effect on the world. DSC trotted out a conclusion without doing any of the sums, and it shows; you don't get the feeling that the characters knew exactly why they were freeing the Tardigrade, after having raped it's freedom and dignity for several episodes. "Oh hey, sorry about that, no hard feelings!"
If that's subtle writing, it's so subtle as to basically say nothing, other than "we will use you as a commodity, for our convenience, until it's convenient for us to free you".
Not really? Nobody actually died at Mudd's hand by the end of the episode, thanks to his time travel shenanigans. Given that he can bring them all back with the push of a button (well, until the end), none of it's real to him, so he ends up treating the whole thing like a video game.
Whether it sticks at the end is less important than his willingness to go through with it. Even if he thinks it can be reversed, what if something goes wrong? And it's downright perverse for him to take pleasure from committing murder and torture again and again. What if Burnham had been the one doing that? Would we still say it's no big deal? (Maybe we would -- after all, Discovery is down with Sarek backing the annihilation of the Klingon homeworld.)
As I mentioned, I enjoyed the Mudd episode. But it requires the same charity of interpretation that Harry's human trafficking in the original series was intended to receive. And is now roundly condemned for.
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Hmm.
Just to be fair, I loved th way DS9 brought in my absolute favourite character from TNG at the end of its first season.......
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Yup.
Is DSC creatively bankrupt by hitting the TOS well so hard so soon? I mean it was dipping it’s toes, and generally flirting from its inception.
It’s something that won’t make me more interested in it, that’s for sure. It may make me less interested. I am kinda happy knowing TOS is there, but never feeling a need to revisit it by even watching it tbh. *shrug*
I do suspect it’s entirely possible that was a late in the day decision, especially after looking at numbers. I signed up for Netflix in time for the roirginal planned launch, then stayed around for nearly a year watching their other shows. I don’t know if anyone would do that with all access.
I do think there’s a cynicism starting to show itself more in this new Trek than in any other since maybe series 4 of ENT and it’s continuity slurping.
Fair, I don't actually care that much, I just don't think he's actually that different a character but that's me.
