Who Would You Get a Crush On?
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I am not sure he is omnipotent. He can't prevent other Q from removing his powers for one thing.
Qs can die.
True. If someone is omnipotent that means that they can do anything and that includes prevent themselves from dying, so Q is not really omnipotent.
No she didn't but maybe she was his fantasy version of what his ideal woman would be! Mostly animal and viciously sexy! Faith Minton played the Klingon female and her biggest part was as a female wrestler in the comedy film All the Marbles aka The California Dolls in 1981!
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I would have liked to see Grace Jones in that part, Worf's fantasy I Mean.
I'd find Riker very attractive but I'd know enough to steer clear of him, he's not good relationship material. He'd be a fun friend though.
I'd develop a ridiculous crush on Data, but I'd also know enough not to try to pursue it.
I could see getting a crush on Barclay if we were friends first, a crush based on compatibility and friendship. Maybe it would even work. That he doesn't seem to be into men is less of an obstacle than the fact that he's a fictional character.
I'd develop a ridiculous crush on Data, but I'd also know enough not to try to pursue it.
I could see getting a crush on Barclay if we were friends first, a crush based on compatibility and friendship. Maybe it would even work. That he doesn't seem to be into men is less of an obstacle than the fact that he's a fictional character.
Why so ? That's not ridiculous at all !
Ridiculous in that it would never be reciprocated.
Love is never ridiculous.
And anyway, we can't say for sure. With the emochip, Data would probably be capable of feeling romantic love. In Generations, he proves is ability to feel friendship, and attachment towards Spot (remember how he cried when finding his cat). In the Immortal Coil novel, which is post emochip, he falls in love with another officer.
And even without the emochip, he still has much potential for a good relationship. He wouldn't be able to exactly reciprocate feelings in the way a human partner would ; but he's capable of friendly behaviours, caring attention and compassion-like reactions. He also said that he'd want to get married and have a family, so he's motivated by the idea of building something with a partner, despite the absence of human-like feelings.
Well when Star Trek The Next Generation was made, it was like in the late 80's and early 90's, and homosexuality was not a huge accepted thing then, and tolerance and acceptance weren't part of our popular culture. I am not homosexual, so I don't know that perspective, but I still feel there wasn't anything strongly homophobic about The Next Generation, it just wasn't explicitly inclusive. Sometimes they did things like the episode "The Outcast" which I felt was like a parable of how wrong our society's intolerance of deviation from accepted sexual and gender norms is. I feel if The Next Generation was made now it would have been so much more inclusive, and I really believe that Commander Data, since he doesn't have an emotional gender preference, would be in anyway opposed to exploring romance with a male partner.
@Marynator : I'm pretty sure if the series has been produced in the 2000's, Data and Geordi would be a couple !
Why Data, why ??
(And HOW does he grow hair ?)
Making a robot grow realistic hair is much easier than giving one fluid reasoning.
TNG is a show that very much presents gender and sex as something binary. It's the comforting simple mythology boy meets girl. It is not hostile toward homosexuality so much as it declines to show it as a normal part of life, which is kind of soft prejudice. The choice was probably made not because any of the writers were against portraying homosexuality so much as because they believed they'd alienate a nontrivial percentage of the audience if they did so. Up to each his own how much you hold that against the show.
I think there'd definitely be a gay relationship in the main cast if the show were made in the 2000s, but I disagree it'd be Geordi and Data. I think it's an overextension of machismo to assume that all close male friendships are sexual. Obviously some of them are, but I think the attitude that no man can ever have emotional affection for another man and express it openly without being sexually attracted to him is nearly as backwards and regressive an attitude as homophobia. That's the attitude that forces men to be emotionally closed off and overaggressive and causes weaker more emotional boys to get mocked and beaten up on the playground.
I understand the reasoning under your post, but I can only talk for myself and say this is not my personal point of view. I'm totally aware that two men can be close friends without being (secretly or openly) gay. Just as straight women can be friends with straight males without being attracted to them.
When I said I'd see Geordi and Data together in a modern day TNG, that wasn't based "just" on the fact they're friends ; but because I personally think there's some sort of 'alchemy' between the two of them. Geordi needs reassurance because he's so shy, and Data is assertive and dedicated enough to provide reassurance. Data would benefit from a mate who's so 'true' and unfiltered emotionally so it gives him the opportunity to learn new behaviours. With the emochip, there'd be space for love in their relationship, in my opinion. And untimately, yes, I do beleive that close friendship is a good starting point for a long lasting love relationship.
I never said such things and I'm not homophobic.
I am gay and have been out for over 25 years. I came out in the middle of TNG's run actually, and was a ST fan since I was a young child watching TOS reruns.Making a robot grow realistic hair is much easier than giving one fluid reasoning.
TNG is a show that very much presents gender and sex as something binary. It's the comforting simple mythology boy meets girl. It is not hostile toward homosexuality so much as it declines to show it as a normal part of life, which is kind of soft prejudice. The choice was probably made not because any of the writers were against portraying homosexuality so much as because they believed they'd alienate a nontrivial percentage of the audience if they did so. Up to each his own how much you hold that against the show.
I agree that TNG wasn't homophobic, but I think you can make the argument that it - and all the shows and movies prior to Discovery, (Even Star Trek Beyond presented Sulu and his husband in a cowardly way, they got almost no screen time, if you blinked you would've completely missed he was even there, no kiss or even a hug when they were reunited) were somewhat heterosexist, showing a worldview that presumes heterosexuality. There are rare moments that surpassed that limit, such as Whoppi insisting that Guinan tell Lal about love by saying two people instead of a man and a woman.
While I was increasingly disappointed with the lack of inclusion (Enterprise had no excuse as gay characters were becoming more common on tv) I do still try to judge the shows by the era they came from. It's frustrating that Trek chose not to break new ground with diversity and representation, waiting until it was almost completely safe to do anything. Every soap opera and sitcom beat them to it, but it is what it is, and going forward things should be more fairly diverse.
I will add that the novels did begin doing a better job with inclusion as far back at least as the early 90s.
I don't see anything wrong with Data and Geordie as a romantic couple. There are plenty of other examples of male friendship - Worf and Riker, Geordie and Riker, etc. Yes, two men can be close without being romantic, but it's in no way problematic to have ONE gay couple! It's not as if either had an opposite sex relationship that extended beyond the one off episode.
Why would it be problematic for Geordie and Data to have feelings, but not for Deanna and Will? Men and women can also be friends without having feelings for each other. It kind of feels like more hoops are being set up there to prevent a same sex relationship.
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