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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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So leave it at that: they have similarities.
But to say the Shepard is just the Shenzhou flipped upside down, or that the Walker is built using the same "parts" of the Shenzhou is speculation at best, and not a particularly plausible one since even the components they have in common are structured and textured differently. The most you can say is that they have similar shapes... but then, so does the Shenzhou and the Centaur.
What? The Reliant and Enterprise model used literally the exact same shapes in every aspect of their design and just slightly rearranged them. Same for the Galaxy and the (CG version of the) Nebula class.
What about naval vessels? The Kidd class destroyers use the exact same hull -- not shape, not configuration, the same DESIGN EXACTLY -- as the Spruance class destroyers and a slightly modified version of this was used on the Ticonderoga and Arleigh-Burke class destroyers. That's almost 200 warships whose hulls are virtually identical and can be distinguished only by the contents of their superstructures, and in the case of the Burkes there are two different types that are slightly different but similar enough that they're considered the same subclass.
Fair point.Well, canon hasn't really stopped them so far.
Yay, braindead melodrama!
Don't do that. Don't play with words, it's beneath you. Similarities mean exactly what you know I meant: things that are the same between them.
No it's not. The Shepard uses several parts of the Shenzhou, off the shelf. The saucer has the same starting point, the bridge is at the same spot as the Walker, upside down, and even looks similar, if flattened, the general placement of the pylons and nacelles is the same, upside down, the structure at the bottom of the Shepard's saucer, and the deflector, is essentially the very same thing, minus bits to the side, and they even both have double pylon structures and similar aft structures. That doesn't erase the differences, but those are a proportionally high number of similarities. YMMV.
Now that's downright false. It's like saying the Nebula and Miranda are the same. This is not the level of similarity we're discussing.
Indeed.
We're not discussing real-life considerations but fictional starship designs. The Walker and Shepard are the only two Discovery designs like this.
I know what you meant. But as similar as those components are, they are not "the same".
The TOS and TMP bridge domes are "similar." The Reliant and Enterprise bridge domes are "the same."
Walker and Shenzhou are similar. They are not the same.
As I said, speculation at best. It's actually a lot more likely that the Walker was adapted from some of Eaves' concepts for the Shenzhou and then scratch built as a separate model in parallel with the Shenzhou. The similarities would be explained by the fact that the same VFX team fleshes out similar components the same way on different ships. Otherwise, though, the Walker doesn't actually appear to have the same design elements. The only elements identical to both ships -- namely the deflector dish and light panels -- are common to the entire binary stars fleet.
This is basically true: they're the only two starships that seem similar in ways that are realistically subtle, like you would expect from real-world aircraft, tanks and warships. In that sense, I would actually expect the Shepard is probably an immediate successor to the Walker class in a similar way that the Galaxy class is an immediate successor to the Ambassador. Indeed, it's probably a perfect parallel for all the changes; different nacelle pylons, different secondary hull, slightly different saucer design with the same overall shape, different engines, slightly different bridge domes, etc. (it's an even cleaner transition if you think about the Probert version of the Ambassador, IMO).
They say that ship was apparently the Enterprise but it didn’t look right. It is possible that it had a Refit in between Cage and WNMHGB but that seems unlikely.
There is also the size issue. Eaglemoss stated that the Discovery is 700 Meters long which is Enterprise E size. The TOS One is just under 300 meters.
I did like the new look of it however and it would have made a good JJPrise. It’s just wrong for the Prime timeline.
There is also the size issue. Eaglemoss stated that the Discovery is 700 Meters long which is Enterprise E size. The TOS One is just under 300 meters.
I did like the new look of it however and it would have made a good JJPrise. It’s just wrong for the Prime timeline.
Again, you're playing with words. Is the standard really that they must be exactly, 100% the same in order for you to see my point? Because that's stupid and it will lead nowhere.
They said they started from the Shenzhou though, didn't they? So it's not speculation, at best or otherwise.
I've already addressed that.
TMP did it first
The Discoprise is A-Okay in my book. I just hope to see the uniforms given a similar treatment.
So in your world it is impossible to do something that can please both?
Do you honestly thing the general audience cares whether or not it's the TOS Enterprise with more surface detail or this revised version? Of course not. They're interested in the entertainment value. So that immediately renders your argument nonsense. Only the fans know the difference between this Enterprise and the TOS one, so who is it hurting to do something just a little but closer? Nobody is the answer.
Same here.
Excuses are not interesting.
They're in for a Hell of a disappointment.
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