Personally I wish more right leaning people posted here just to balance things out
Look at this way some of the posters outside of the USA might lean right, it's just that in US terms they are still on the left.
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Look at this way some of the posters outside of the USA might lean right, it's just that in US terms they are still on the left.
Refuge is from Australia and would be strongly right wing even on the American scale from what I've observed, and of the non-American posters on this forum I have seen that lean right, most are just as strongly right leaning as the American right wingers are. You're one of the few exceptions to that rule I've seen. It's a nice idea (often repeated by you) to think that there's this cadre of non-American right wingers who just look like moderate Democrats on the American scale (and it may be true on a national scale, though less so in the era of Brexit and the rise —again— of far right wing movements around Europe and elsewhere as well as in the US), but that has not been borne out by anything I have observed here on the forum. The non-Americans usually object to the same things and use the same clichéd complaints as American right wingers do. Just because they might support a long term fixture of your society like the NHS (just as many American right wingers support Medicare) doesn't mean they're any less likely to complain about "SJWs!" or "PC run amok!" or "Mary Sues!" or "snowflakes in their safe spaces" as their American counterparts.
The western right is DOMINATED by US politics. You see right wing talking points all over the world constantly copy-pasted from the GOP/Tea Party/Koch network.
This is largely in part to the fact is that most right wingers in the western world basically worship America and want their countries to be America. I know the Nationals in NZ, Conservatives in the UK, LNP in Australia etc all basically copy-paste their policies from the Republican party and constantly try dismantle their welfare, healthcare etc systems using the US as a model.
I rarely see anyone in the purple square.
Your socialist uptopia is going to be so beautiful
Funny living in Western Europe which has some socialism, you don't see that. But there are different types of socialism, such as the Social Democracy which many western nations use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
I think some people when they hear the word socialism they hear communism.
IOW, right after the Tooth Fairy leaves it under your pillow.
I'm pretty much left on everything except political correctness speech which I see as different from real world ways of showing good manners to people. To me it tends to go against free speech,helps the republicans more than helps us on the left because it ends up making us look like prudes or snobs. When it comes to income inequality I am kind of more radical left,hence my Robin Hood thread. Mostly because I see income inequality as sort of being the thing that fuels almost ever other problem in the world whether it is racism or sexism. Any kind of power is usually bad and all power in the end comes from, money. Even when good people get power and money they often just become as bad as the people they replace.
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Both the Right and the Left are chock full of anti-science fanatics, luddites and technophobes. I am the opposite of these things, so I choose not to identify with either, preferring to think of myself as being on some sort of Z-axis at right angles to the others. This may be a delusion.
I attempt to alter/moderate my views to make them better conform with the evidence at hand as I accumulate more knowledge and experience. (Go read the early pages of the Mass Shooting thread sometime. Even I SMH at some of the things I posted in there, and that wasn't all that long ago.)
At this point I'm vaguely enamored with the Nordic Model. No, not that one, the economic one. (But enough so that I know even THEY discovered the "Robin Hood Tax" was a bad idea beyond a certain very small limit.)
I attempt to alter/moderate my views to make them better conform with the evidence at hand as I accumulate more knowledge and experience. (Go read the early pages of the Mass Shooting thread sometime. Even I SMH at some of the things I posted in there, and that wasn't all that long ago.)
At this point I'm vaguely enamored with the Nordic Model. No, not that one, the economic one. (But enough so that I know even THEY discovered the "Robin Hood Tax" was a bad idea beyond a certain very small limit.)
Ludditeism and technophobia have no place in the modern world. Neither does fear of science.
IMO every problem we're having is something that neither side address: TOO MANY PEOPLE
Overpopulation is an issue that's never even acknowledged on ANY side of the political
spectrum. It's just swept under the increasingly bumpy rug. It's been rumored this
issue is why Pope John Paul I was "assassinated." There is no politically expedient
way to address it without hate from all sides. So it doesn't exist.
And "The Mark of Gideon" comes to Earth.
Thank you, Ra’s al Ghul.IMO every problem we're having is something that neither side address: TOO MANY PEOPLE
Overpopulation is an issue that's never even acknowledged on ANY side of the political
spectrum. It's just swept under the increasingly bumpy rug. It's been rumored this
issue is why Pope John Paul I was "assassinated." There is no politically expedient
way to address it without hate from all sides. So it doesn't exist.
And "The Mark of Gideon" comes to Earth.
Well yeah, because they're smart about it and don't go full socialist. All these social programs in Western Europe are built on the back of a capitalist, free market society. Without capitalism these social-ish countries wouldn't be nearly as successful as they are.
I think some people when they hear the word socialism they think government attempts to control society. Burdensome taxation and regulation. Treating the educational system like a social indoctranation environment for children.
Ahh, some people.
My main point is that as soon as some hear the word socialism they think of communism rather that the model of socialism used in places like Western Europe, so are instantly hostile to the notion that there are some areas which might be beneficial for most if not all i.e. National Healthcare. Is it perfect no of course not, but then what system is?
Yep,
Taxes which pay for things such as infrastructure, defense etc...
As for regulation, you mean regulation like ensuring we have clean and safe drinking water, cleaner air to breathe, hazardous materials aren't getting into our food and water chain Not to mention crazy ideas that our vehicles should be more fuel efficient so we save money by not having to put as much fuel in them etc...
IMO every problem we're having is something that neither side address: TOO MANY PEOPLE
Overpopulation is an issue that's never even acknowledged on ANY side of the political
spectrum. It's just swept under the increasingly bumpy rug. It's been rumored this
issue is why Pope John Paul I was "assassinated." There is no politically expedient
way to address it without hate from all sides. So it doesn't exist.
And "The Mark of Gideon" comes to Earth.
I agree with this. Not just because of the drain on resources. The more people you have the more assholes you will have to a point where even if 4/5th of the planet was filled with great people the number of bad people doing bad things would still be pretty high. I also think this is why the internet can be so toxic. To many people on it and to many people who can't get along with people who are different so you end up just getting lots of people getting angry at each other all the time. Combine that with the fact that the internet is no longer just a fun hobby but a way of life for many and they pratically live on it it means your dealing with constant hostility 24/7. Use to even if you had Nazi's you didn't have to put up with them all the time because they were off doing their thing and everyone else was doing their thing.
Jason
I'm interested in what you would consider Luddite, how far back and how much would have to be avoided? Would it be a bad thing if a lot of people avoided the newest tech like blu-ray players, smart phones (or even cell phones), microwaves, thought their older precursors are still good enough?
Overpopulation isn't going to be a long term problem, according to the UN we won't even reach 12 billion humans. As countries develop and have more access to healthcare and food, birth rates begin to slow and become stable with the death rate. This has already happened in most countries and the rest are is catching up quickly. When it comes to the population, we're going to be fine in about a century.IMO every problem we're having is something that neither side address: TOO MANY PEOPLE
Overpopulation is an issue that's never even acknowledged on ANY side of the political
spectrum. It's just swept under the increasingly bumpy rug. It's been rumored this
issue is why Pope John Paul I was "assassinated." There is no politically expedient
way to address it without hate from all sides. So it doesn't exist.
And "The Mark of Gideon" comes to Earth.
Here's a video explaining it.
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