USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Tuskin38]

But instead, the "final" Discovery cgi model really IS the slapped together Comic Con version - only slightly polished, with new textures, cut-outs, new nacelles, and a bit of re-working around the neck region.

It clearly isn't the same model.

 

[Belz...]

Indeed. Although I wish an in-between version of the Discovery was chosen. The gaps in the saucer and bubbly bridge dome are a bit odd, considering the rest of the ship.

 

[Tuskin38]

There was alleged leaked test footage of another model, which I think was confirmed to have existed in the Eaglemoss book.

 

[DanielPMonut]

But instead, the "final" Discovery cgi model really IS the slapped together Comic Con version - only slightly polished, with new textures, cut-outs, new nacelles, and a bit of re-working around the neck region.

...yeah, I can promise you that that was not the process.

 

[Mudd]

...yeah, I can promise you that that was not the process.

That is, however, pretty much the result.

 

[Rahul]

...yeah, I can promise you that that was not the process.

The two models are identical. Look at them side by side: It's the exact same cgi model, just slightly modified.
And they already publicly admitted the first one was "a rush job", and based on an already outdated sketch. So....?

 

[Rahul]

It clearly isn't the same model.

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It's the exact same cgi model. Just slightly modified and polished. Cut-outs and new nacelles added, front of the neck slightly modified, and some new textures. But the design evolution is pretty well documented.

 

[Belz...]

The two models are identical. Look at them side by side: It's the exact same cgi model, just slightly modified.
And they already publicly admitted the first one was "a rush job", and based on an already outdated sketch. So....?

So it's quite a bit modified, actually. That they might have started from the first CGI model to construct the final one doesn't mean it's the exact same model. There a quite a number of major differences.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's the exact same cgi model. Just slightly modified and polished.

There are clear major differences.

 

[Rahul]

So it's quite a bit modified, actually. That they might have started from the first CGI model to construct the final one doesn't mean it's the exact same model. There a quite a number of major differences.

It's a refined version. But clearly the original model with only some slight alterations. IMO they should have waited until a designer has completed a finished, approved design, and THEN made that into a new cgi-model, instead of tinkering with an existing, low quality one until they made it somewhat screen-ready.

Don't get my wrong: The finished Discovery is not a bad design. It's just... unbelievable... from a workflow perspective. And it shows somewhat in the final result, especially compared to the Shenzhou, which was first designed and then 3d-modeled, and has a much more coherent, unique and unifying design language.

I can never look at the Discovery and not see it as a weird mish-mash of different people's design sensibilities - most obviously John Eaves preference for hull cut-outs added to a design that clearly wasn't intended to have them in the first place, and generally being a weird mix of super intricate, fragile parts (the connection struts between the saucer "rings", the thin and pointy nacelles), combined with OVERLY "blocky", massive and brutalistic connection points (the nacelle struts, the thick neck).

Again: Not a bad design. But not a very coherent one either, just a weird... mash-up?

 

[Tuskin38]

According to Eaves, they liked the opened areas in the saucer. (though that's obvious since they approved it)

 

[Rahul]

So it's quite a bit modified, actually. That they might have started from the first CGI model to construct the final one doesn't mean it's the exact same model. There a quite a number of major differences.

Yeah, that's probably a very good description of what happened.
I mean, they kinda' succeeded: The final Discovery design is very clearly screen-ready, looks finished, and even has fans. It's just...weird... to do it that way for your hero ship of the series.

 

[Rahul]

According to Eaves, they liked the opened areas in the saucer. (though that's obvious since they approved it)

Obviously! Otherwise they wouldn't have approved the design
I just think, if you would give John Eaves the task to draw a completely new sketch for the Discovery - using the same basic Ken Adams structure as a starting point, but being allowed to design all elements, and not just add his own ones to a pre-existing design - it would have looked a lot better and more coherent.

 

[Tuskin38]

This reminds me of that 'allegedly' leaked screen test video of another Discovery design

 

[Tuskin38]

just think, if you would give John Eaves the task to draw a completely new sketch for the Discovery - using the same basic Ken Adams structure as a starting point, but being allowed to design all elements, and not just add his own ones to a pre-existing design - it would have looked a lot better and more coherent.

That appears to be what they did.

He did design the Comic-Con one.


They also designed a version with Shenzhou like Nacelles

 

[Gonzo]

According to Eaves, they liked the opened areas in the saucer. (though that's obvious since they approved it)

I like them as well, I also liked them on the Vengeance.

 

[Belz...]

It's a refined version. But clearly the original model with only some slight alterations.

But you don't know that. For all you know they just went back to the wireframe, made some major alterations, re-did the entire texturing and several of the components and details, etc. Is that the same or different?

And the "rush job" of the first version doesn't mean that 3 days prior they had no idea of what they were going to do. For all I know they had been thinking about it for a while and had sketches but no CGI model, and they slapped that together quickly. It doesn't mean that quite a bit of work didn't go into rebuilding it, perhaps from scratch during the following months.

Don't get my wrong: The finished Discovery is not a bad design. It's just... unbelievable... from a workflow perspective.

I don't follow what you mean.

I can never look at the Discovery and not see it as a weird mish-mash of different people's design sensibilities

I think it looked fine like this:

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But yeah, given the angular nature of most of the ship, the saucer cutouts and bridge dome look a bit weird.

It's just...weird...

Yeah well, that's kind of a good thing. Business as usual was getting kind of stale. At least Discovery is unique.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder if that ribbed area was what originally spinned.

Or if it was spinning at all at that point.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I do love those raised nacelles in the leaked test footage.

 

[lawman]

Between the almost-flat neck and the spinning saucer section, I'm inclined to think the main parts of the Discovery look awkwardly reminiscent of a pizza cutter.