Litverse & Star Trek '09

[MadeIndescribable]

I definitely agree with the Destiny style story, especially if it could go into the consequences for the Romulan Empire as well.

strongly implied that he was a stranger to Spock before they met at the supernova

Personally I wouldn't mind a solo Nero novel, which gives us his back story, maybe something like

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Never Ending Sacrifice, which tells his life story, but also gives the Romluan side of events we saw throughout the Star Trek series (first re-contact with Federation in early TNG, Dominion War, etc)

 

[JD]

It will be very interesting to see what happens with the Typhon Pact after Hobus. At least up to The Fall they were probably the biggest power that wasn't overly hostile with the Federation, and I could see losing that having a pretty big effect on Pact/Accords relations. Especially with the Tzenkethi's constant scheming.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Especially with the Tzenkethi's constant scheming.

I miss the Tzenkethi. Anyone wants to write a new book about them, more than fine with me...

 

[Leto_II]

I'm not sure that's necessary. Countdown established him as someone who befriended Spock beforehand, but that doesn't fit with the actual film, which strongly implied that he was a stranger to Spock before they met at the supernova. And his motivation was made quite clear in the film -- he wanted revenge for the death of his wife and his planet.

I phrased that badly -- I meant to mention the differences between Countdown and the film, there, but was crunched for time when I typed that ("got involved in" should've been "crossed paths with"). Also, seconding what Madeindescribable said, with some deeper exploration of Nero's character as only a novel can accomplish, even if he has absolutely no further personal connection to Spock Prime than what we see onscreen in the movie.

 

[Christopher]

I phrased that badly -- I meant to mention the differences between Countdown and the film, there, but was crunched for time when I typed that ("got involved in" should've been "crossed paths with"). Also, seconding what Madeindescribable said, with some deeper exploration of Nero's character as only a novel can accomplish, even if he has absolutely no further personal connection to Spock Prime than what we see onscreen in the movie.

I'm just not sure I'd really want to see a story about Nero before the supernova. I kind of like the idea that Nero before the supernova was just a regular working-class schmoe, a blue-collar guy driving his mining ship around and burrowing holes in planets and looking forward to going home to spend time with the wife and kid, and then bam! If there's something about his pre-supernova life that's unusual or big enough to warrant being the focus of a story, that kind of undermines it for me. I guess I could see it being a side plot in a book about larger events, though.

 

[STR]

Nero was a bland, nonsensical character, to the point where he ruins to movie for me. The less he shows up the better.

I mean, I'd understand the urge to try and take on the challenge of making this generic "evil because he's movie insane" man into something compelling, but meh.

As Christopher points out above, you also run a high risk of ruining the intent of the character. Though, I don't think the movie did a good or conclusive job of conveying that either.

 

[Voth commando1]

Honestly, if they want to spend at least a year or two of real-world time building up to that event in a meaningful way (and also maybe substantively setting up the character of Nero, and why he got involved in Spock Prime's mission), I totally wouldn't complain, and then they could finally depict the Hobus supernova itself (and its political aftermath) in a culminating, Destiny-style event epic, one that is going to be informed by the rich, deep storytelling-lore established in the Litverse.

You know I am curious when and if they will ever do a prime verse Hobus Trilogy. It would probably have be longer or at least the same size as Destiny. And would require a veteran trek author familiar with the lore and worldbuilding developed by the novels.


This is Destiny level stuff-while Destiny dealt with the Borg, ending their presence in the Trekverse this would set up all future novels and storylines-they'd have to go back to this.

In-Universe this is a a shattering event, and in terms of storytelling it's just as shattering.

Does anyone have an idea if and when such a project will be embarked on.

 

[Jinn]

You know I am curious when and if they will ever do a prime verse Hobus Trilogy. It would probably have be longer or at least the same size as Destiny. And would require a veteran trek author familiar with the lore and worldbuilding developed by the novels.


This is Destiny level stuff-while Destiny dealt with the Borg, ending their presence in the Trekverse this would set up all future novels and storylines-they'd have to go back to this.

In-Universe this is a a shattering event, and in terms of storytelling it's just as shattering.

Does anyone have an idea if and when such a project will be embarked on.

In the 2018 releaseses thread we are still guessing about when we get any new Trek novels, so no one knows when any novels covering Hobus will come out.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm just not sure I'd really want to see a story about Nero before the supernova. I kind of like the idea that Nero before the supernova was just a regular working-class schmoe, a blue-collar guy driving his mining ship around and burrowing holes in planets and looking forward to going home to spend time with the wife and kid, and then bam! If there's something about his pre-supernova life that's unusual or big enough to warrant being the focus of a story, that kind of undermines it for me. I guess I could see it being a side plot in a book about larger events, though.

Just don't have him fiddling while Romulus burns. That would be bad.

 

[David Weller]

You know I am curious when and if they will ever do a prime verse Hobus Trilogy. It would probably have be longer or at least the same size as Destiny. And would require a veteran trek author familiar with the lore and worldbuilding developed by the novels.


This is Destiny level stuff-while Destiny dealt with the Borg, ending their presence in the Trekverse this would set up all future novels and storylines-they'd have to go back to this.

In-Universe this is a a shattering event, and in terms of storytelling it's just as shattering.

Does anyone have an idea if and when such a project will be embarked on.

I’m sure this will happen.

The only question is when.

 

[The Wormhole]

You know I am curious when and if they will ever do a prime verse Hobus Trilogy. It would probably have be longer or at least the same size as Destiny. And would require a veteran trek author familiar with the lore and worldbuilding developed by the novels.


This is Destiny level stuff-while Destiny dealt with the Borg, ending their presence in the Trekverse this would set up all future novels and storylines-they'd have to go back to this.

In-Universe this is a a shattering event, and in terms of storytelling it's just as shattering.

Does anyone have an idea if and when such a project will be embarked on.

You've asked this question like fifty thousand times already, and the answer's been the same every time. No one knows. As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, the contract to allow Pocket to cover material from the Abrams movies is still being negotiated. Combined with other factors, this is likely going to contribute to a severe lack of Trek novels in general in 2018, meaning by the time they get through other storylines currently on the go it could be 2020 or 2021 before they even get around to tackling Hobus and its aftermath.

Regardless, if and when a Hobus novel is announced, there will be no avoiding the news, it'll be everywhere. So there really is no need go keep asking the same damn question over and over again just for someone to give you an elaborately worded "I don't know" for an answer.

 

[Voth commando1]

You've asked this question like fifty thousand times already, and the answer's been the same every time. No one knows. As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, the contract to allow Pocket to cover material from the Abrams movies is still being negotiated. Combined with other factors, this is likely going to contribute to a severe lack of Trek novels in general in 2018, meaning by the time they get through other storylines currently on the go it could be 2020 or 2021 before they even get around to tackling Hobus and its aftermath.

Regardless, if and when a Hobus novel is announced, there will be no avoiding the news, it'll be everywhere. So there really is no need go keep asking the same damn question over and over again just for someone to give you an elaborately worded "I don't know" for an answer.

I understand-it's just so very hard to contain my enthusiasm.

 

[JD]

In general, if you don't see something on one of the schedules on the wikis, or being discussed in a thread here, then it hasn't been announced.
The schedule is usually announced about 6 months to a year out, and beyond that we generally don't know what to expect. We might occasionally get a vague comment from one of the writers about future plans, bu that's about as far it will go.

 

[Nyotarules]

Does Countdown explain how one mining ship destroys a fleet of starships and if it takes days to get to Vulcan, did it take Nero days to destroy Vulcan's defenses and fleet?

 

[Christopher]

Does Countdown explain how one mining ship destroys a fleet of starships

Well, since it's a 24th-century mining ship and 23rd-century starships, I'm not sure that needs explanation, but I believe Countdown posited that the Narada was experimental and enhanced with captured Borg technology.

Besides, have you seen mining vehicles in real life? They're huge. It takes a lot of power and strength to mine or excavate on an industrial scale. It's not implausible to me that something so powerful could be repurposed into a very destructive weapon. A ship designed to break apart asteroids could probably make short work of starships. So I don't think the "Borg upgrades" idea was necessary at all. (It wouldn't work in the novelverse anyway, not after Destiny.)

and if it takes days to get to Vulcan, did it take Nero days to destroy Vulcan's defenses and fleet?

The film implied it took hours, not days -- just enough time for Kirk to sleep off the sedative McCoy gave him.

 

[Nyotarules]

The film implied it took hours, not days -- just enough time for Kirk to sleep off the sedative McCoy gave him.

ok the usual Trek norm, warp speed by plot, what a small universe

 

[MadeIndescribable]

So I don't think the "Borg upgrades" idea was necessary at all. (It wouldn't work in the novelverse anyway, not after Destiny.)

Although it was Borg technology the Romulans had been experimenting with, so surely as part of those the link to the rest of the collective could have been severed and it was unaffected by the Caeliar?

 

[Christopher]

Although it was Borg technology the Romulans had been experimenting with, so surely as part of those the link to the rest of the collective could have been severed and it was unaffected by the Caeliar?

I'm not sure how consistent that is with Destiny. Doesn't matter anyway, since Countdown disagrees with the novel continuity in multiple other ways, like the fate of Data and B-4.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

I'm not sure how consistent that is with Destiny. Doesn't matter anyway, since Countdown disagrees with the novel continuity in multiple other ways, like the fate of Data and B-4.

True, I just like to connect as many different dots from varying stories/media as I can.

 

[thribs]

I just want to know where the Red Matter came from. That stuff seems incredibly powerful.