And are genuinely surprised/shocked when you're not??
I find it entertaining, not a rule book for life...
I find it entertaining, not a rule book for life...
Does it annoy anyone else that people expect you to be hardcore liberal if you're a Trekkie
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I understand why conservatives watch the shows and films and how you can separate your politics and belief system from just enjoying entertainment for entertainment's sake. I like a lot of shows and movies that don't agree with my political and social views. What I don't get is why so many of them then endlessly complain about a traditionally progressive franchise (albeit one that doesn't always live up to that, or frequently lags behind other series) featuring progressive ideals, storylines, and character traits, as if they were somehow caught off guard by this shocking turn of events that have been a feature of the franchise for over five decades. You know who else was an old school social justice warrior? Captain Kirk.
And before the inevitable backlash, #NotAllConservatives, just the ones who make a huge stink in the Trek forums about SJWs, and gay agendas, and "oh noes, 30% of the cast aren't straight white men." If it's not a rule book for life, why try and force it to be something it's not?
And before the inevitable backlash, #NotAllConservatives, just the ones who make a huge stink in the Trek forums about SJWs, and gay agendas, and "oh noes, 30% of the cast aren't straight white men." If it's not a rule book for life, why try and force it to be something it's not?
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How are we defining Liberal?
Looking at Wikipedia Liberals generally believe in the following
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of the Press
Freedom of Religion
Free Markets
Civil Rights
Democratic Societies
Secular Governments
Gender Equality
International Co-operation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
Looking at Wikipedia Liberals generally believe in the following
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of the Press
Freedom of Religion
Free Markets
Civil Rights
Democratic Societies
Secular Governments
Gender Equality
International Co-operation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
I'm sure many on the right wing support those positions, but I think when people talk about Liberal's they mean Social Liberalism. Which views the good of the community as being equal with the good of the individual and that part of Governments role is policies which support this such as Healthcare, addressing poverty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
I'm perhaps using the word to loosely, I basically mean they expect you to be so left wing if you went any further you'd snap.
At the end of the day it's just a TV show, and like any TV show it's primary goal is to entertain.
But my earlier point was around how are we defining hard core liberal. Where is this viewpoint that people who like ST must be hard core liberals? Is it coming from liberals or people on the right? But we also have to understand how each side defines the term liberal in order to understand peoples viewpoints as each side might have a different view of the term.
But my earlier point was around how are we defining hard core liberal. Where is this viewpoint that people who like ST must be hard core liberals? Is it coming from liberals or people on the right? But we also have to understand how each side defines the term liberal in order to understand peoples viewpoints as each side might have a different view of the term.
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You are much more easy going than I, friend!
I find it's rather irritating when anyone associates political leanings with the enjoyment of specific pop culture. Labels such as "Right winger", "Leftist" etc are pejoratives - meant to be insulting or said with contempt, and are really not needed to interact with people in a positive way.
Having said that, I was surprised at the backlash against SJW culture and diversity when Discovery premiered last fall. Since tolerance is one of the main pillars of the Trek philosophy, nothing has changed with Trek's view of tolerance since the 1960s so... I am left wondering WTF? If there ever was a wrong way to watch Trek, some people have it figured out, I guess!
I'm a fan of Red Dawn and The Last Ship, both pretty much right wing masturbatory fantasies, and I've had no one mistake me for a Conservative.
^ I assume so. But allow me an alternative theory:
Granted, it's not as long running as Trek.
Ratings?
I liked 24, and that's basically what would happen if Dick Cheney were to fully embrace his "more machine now than man" image and become reborn in the singularity as a sentient television show.
Granted, it's not as long running as Trek.
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I agree that there is (mostly) no correlation between what entertains you and your political beliefs. It’s lije saying if you’re a Star Wars fan you must love totalitarian dictatorships.
Only if you see the rebels as the villains of that story.
It doesn't annoy me.
Well from a certain point of view they are a bunch of terrorisst, engaging in armed insurrection against the legally elected government.
Geeze.I am genuinely surprised that anyone is conservative.
No, it's not. Were you under the impression that the Empire were depicted as the good guys in Star Wars?
Considering that entire election was rigged under false pretenses by the man they ultimately ended up electing, and that he plunged his own homeworld and the entire galaxy into two separate wars under false pretenses, and that he used false pretenses to eliminate the entire law enforcement arm of the Senate (the Jedi), and that he declared himself Emperor for life prior to a vote ("thunderous applause" notwithstanding), and that he later blew up meddlesome planets and dissolved the Senate completely, the legally elected justification really stretches that certain point of view.
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