...You will not get something to look like it fits that style and is older, by using a modern style. The easy fix, is to remove the oddity, that being the TOS ship...
Yeah, that's what this seems to come down to. There are actually people who really want to retcon the original
Star Trek out of the Star Trek franchise. You exemplify that attitude.
There is no debate on what style the TOS is. None at all, there is fact and there is people who put their hands over there eyes and act like they can't see it. Not gonna sugar coast it, design styles are not subjective, they have names and things you can point out. There is simply nothing to debate on that point.
Yes, there's a debate. Lots of us have been debating this with you. With examples and links, even.
Atomic age/space age design styles
exist, of course. No dispute there. But just because something was originally designed in the 1960s, doesn't inherently make it part and parcel of that design vernacular.
Star Trek, including the original
Enterprise in particular, has always had a distinctive visual personality. It honest-to-god doesn't look like other examples of "space age" design, in either popular media or real life. It doesn't look like anything from
Forbidden Planet or
Lost in Space or
The Jetsons. It doesn't look like Seattle's Space Needle or the Theme Building at LAX (both of which still look great, by the way). It doesn't look like Sputnik or a Pioneer probe or a Saturn V rocket. It doesn't look like any of
this stuff.
Maybe it evokes some of that stuff
to your eyes. Maybe you personally don't
like that look. But as lots of us keep pointing out, not everyone thinks like you.
To people of 2018, the current tend in what the future looks like, is just that. The look they think it will look like. Atomic age has not been that look since the late 60's.
You can't say this. No, literally, you can't. It's not valid. You don't get to make sweeping statements on behalf of "people of 2018." You can't muster their alleged collective opinion to support your argument. After all, everyone who
disagrees with you is a "person of 2018" as well. Yet, somehow, many of us obviously have different aesthetic sensibilities. And we really, honestly don't think the future will look like current Hollywood design trends. (Or past ones, for that matter.)
Moreover, don't you see how your entire argument here winds up being inescapably circular? "Why do production designers make things look like XYZ?"
Because that's how contemporary audiences expect them to look. "How do we know that's what audiences expect?"
Because that's what contemporary production designs look like. And 'round and 'round we go...
I disagree here, but I never said a Klingon ship. I said a Klingon.
Okay, let me amend my response. A DSC
Klingon would also look bad anywhere you put him or her.
Absolutely nothing involving the Klingons for this show was well-designed. Not the makeup, not the costumes, not the ships, zilch. The incompatibility with preexisting Klingon designs is just the cherry on top; the show could've called them some completely new alien race, and the designs would still be cringingly bad.
No man, I am not. Anyone doing design for a living can tell you this. The Retro 60's look is not in trend for design or TV shows.
Arrgh! I'm not sure what you think doing design for a living has to do with evidence for your claims about public opinion. But more importantly: the thing you don't seem to grasp, no matter how many times it's been stated, is that
I don't give a fuck what's "in trend" for TV show design. There is
no reason Trek should ever try to be "in trend." There's no reason any of us, as audience members,
should care about whether it's "in trend."
You really seem to think that being trendy is a self-justifying quality for a design, and it just isn't. Matching current trends is not the same as being futuristic, or being appealing, or being memorable, or being internally consistent with the shared universe, or any other desirable quality one might reasonably expect Trek designers to be aiming for. Looking just like any other generic SF TV show is
not a desirable objective.
No, its not a new reality, its the same reality with changes.
Oh, of course.
That makes perfect sense.
I wish I had entered the conversation sooner, but I got slammed with convention prep. I did my model up the night after the finale aired, and had images up on the FB page.
It was awesome that those guys saw what I had been piddling with.
