USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Jesse1066]

I think the gaps in the pylons have a visual purpose if not a functional one. Only the forward portion is lit, so in dark lighting or from a distance, that could appear to be the entire pylon. The gap creates a defined edge and the effect is a more TOS looking nacelle pylon. Doug Drexler created a similar effect with texturing on the NX-01's pylons.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I’ve been wanting this for years.

That was the original idea for Casino Royale when Craig was cast. It was being proposed to set it at the time of the book, around 1954 or so. The idea was to really make it the start of Bond and getting his 00 status.

Either way, the movie was fantastic! Most closely followed the book, besides On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

My homage to The Cage.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It would be hilarious as Hell if They say that the Discovery was originally an old Constitution Class ship hull that was stripped down and rebuilt to become what it is now.

If we had gotten Planet Of The Titans, that's exactly what we might have had.

Personally, I could never see that as a refit Enterprise, but it looks great as the Discovery.

 

[cooleddie74]

I must be getting old. I didn't even notice the nacelle pylons had a space in them until now.

Better the nacelle pylons than the connecting dorsal, as seen in the earliest 2009 Enterprise concepts.

And the pylons still have the three windows or access ports in them just like the classic Connie warp nacelle pylons. I just noticed those today.

 

[CorporalClegg]

My homage to The Cage.

Good work, but I got to admit that this just emphasizes what a questionable choice the shortened neck was.

 

[Gonzo]

Don’t know if the neck is shorter, it’s longer forward so it may be an optical illusion that it’s shorter

Two possibilities with the neck:

1. The neck is the size it always was but the saucer and engineering section are larger.

2. The neck is shorter than it was but the saucer and engineering section are the same as before.

From what I have seen my money is on the first one.

 

[ItIsGreen]

I don't mind the shorter neck, I think it actually suits the proportions better.

 

[cooleddie74]

The windows on the neck are almost totally unchanged from the TOS ship. The ones on the lowest part of the old neck are now gone, but I believe the rest are still there with perhaps one or two exceptions.

 

[Gonzo]

I don't mind the shorter neck, I think it actually suits the proportions better.

I like it, it reduces the front profile of the ship without losing much internal volume, looks great, as it does on the Discovery as well.

I always felt the long neck was a weak point in the structural integrity of the hull, like it had a "shoot me here for maximum effect" sign around the ships neck.

Same goes for the original thin single strut nacelle supports, with a sign saying "If you want to hamstring me, shoot me here".

That's where the enemies went for when they weren't shooting the big obvious thing in the centre of the saucer which was obviously the bridge.

Now I think about it, that explains why the Shenzou had the bridge underneath, it was a cunning plan to fool their enemies, unfortunately it also meant they couldn't see bugger all above the saucer which tended to be where the enemy attacked from.

So that particular design didn't last long.

 

[ItIsGreen]

I always felt the long neck was a weak point in the structural integrity of the hull, like it had a "shoot me here for maximum effect" sign around the ships neck.

Same goes for the original thin single strut nacelle supports, with a sign saying "If you want to hamstring me, shoot me here".

Well, we saw exactly that happen to her counterpart in STBeyond. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, tbh.

I also wonder why no one ever shoots the nacelles, you saw what happened to the Ent-D when the Bozeman grazed one in "Cause & Effect".

 

[cooleddie74]

The Enterprise did to the Reliant in the Mutara Nebula, but that was more of a kill shot than anything else to help finish Khan off. By the time Kirk blew off the Reliant's nacelle the ship was practically dead in the water.

 

[lawman]

Eh, the writers guide isn't canon.

Well, neither are ship sizes. Any of them. From any show. Yet people still find them interesting to talk about!...

You just need to accept that things need to change for 21st century audiences.

The thing is, that's the kind of all-purpose rationale, offered without evidence and thus without possibility of rebuttal, that can be used to justify pretty much any damnfool thing a producer or writer or production designer wants to do.

Nobody actually knows what audiences want to see... if they did, every show and movie would be a hit. When HBO decided to do Game of Thrones back in 2010 conventional wisdom thought it was risky, because modern audiences wouldn't like that kind of medieval fantasy stuff... and look how that turned out.

Better the nacelle pylons than the connecting dorsal, as seen in the earliest 2009 Enterprise concepts.

Hmm, I've never seen that before! Dorsal cutout notwithstanding, that's a much better looking ship than the one we actually wound up with in the movie.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You know it also looks a lot like this top NX-01 Enterprise concept by Doug Drexler

 

[Phoenix219]

I must be getting old. I didn't even notice the nacelle pylons had a space in them until now.

Better the nacelle pylons than the connecting dorsal, as seen in the earliest 2009 Enterprise concepts.

I could totally have lived with that one for the reboot movies. Man, something that simple would have reduced a TON of hate.

 

[Gonzo]

Well, we saw exactly that happen to her counterpart in STBeyond. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, tbh.

I also wonder why no one ever shoots the nacelles, you saw what happened to the Ent-D when the Bozeman grazed one in "Cause & Effect".

Well the whole point of directed energy weapons is speed of attack unlike projectile weapons like torpedoes, so the Captains spend lots of time devising manoeuvres to ensure that the enemy isn't allowed to concentrate their fire on one place for too long, the shield emitters cant take it and once they are dead in a particular area its all over.

Hence why the best option is to have multiple shield emitters for each area that are not placed near each other, then you can balance out the shields by taking energy from an area that's not been flanked/attacked by an enemy and move it to a weakened area.

 

[Ronald Held]

Enough years before TOS to make the changes back to TOS version.

 

[Racefuel]

Enough years before TOS to make the changes back to TOS version.

Won't happen, at least not to the degree the fundamentalists demand.

 

[Noname Given]

Nope, but even before Paramount canonized the location it was generally agreed upon that the original TOS engine room was somewhere down in the stardrive section close to the warp nacelles. You still have the occasional viewer who thinks the engine room is in the saucer section but those are definitely in the very tiny and insignificant minority of opinion.

Are you sure? I ask because it always appearer the two Impulse Engines were behind a larre Grill in the rear of the Engine room, meaning Engineering was in the Primary/Saucer Hull:

 

[ItIsGreen]

Are you sure? IO ask because it always appearer the two Impulse Engines were behind a larre Grill in the rear of the Engine room, meaning Engineering was in the Primary/Saucer Hull

I always assumed that was the warp reactor.