Yet Culber did. His contribution to ending the war was... to die.
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Or it was to help Stamets deal with the “spore universe” to get them home to help end the war. We still don’t know what that version of Culber was.
Who knows what the characters do off camera?
I was just stirring the pot about the spore thing. I have no idea why Culber would deserve a medal.
I thought he was hanging himself when that scene started, actually. But then, this show allows people to sit in the Brig unsupervised, so suicide risk assessments are not high on Starfleet's skills list.
He died in the line of duty while exposing a Klingon spy.
Stamets required certain relaxation techniques to get the old spore drive working ... if you know what I mean.
God no, that's a terrible idea.
I actually very much liked the finale .... it should have been about 10 minutes longer so they could have had more discussion with L'Rell where they spent that time on Burnham/Ash.
I think it played more in tone as a series finale had it been a one and done. It didn't seem to adjust much to the second season being ordered early on. They seemed to want to close too many storylines all at once which took away from the closing of the Klingon war arc. Tried to do a little to much and why I gave it a 9 rating (it was still awesome).
I think it played more in tone as a series finale had it been a one and done. It didn't seem to adjust much to the second season being ordered early on. They seemed to want to close too many storylines all at once which took away from the closing of the Klingon war arc. Tried to do a little to much and why I gave it a 9 rating (it was still awesome).
I love how 0% of that ever made it into the episode's exposition, except for vague speculations by Starfleet, and denied by L'Rell.
Yes Sirree. The intelligent, think-outside-the-box, avoid violence at all cost Star Trek ala Roddenberry/TNG (basically what do you propose above) is long history. Today's Star Trek is a reenactment of Star Wars/Game of Thrones/BSG world where people resolve differences by waging more violence. It's a reality of the world we live in now, I'm afraid
I’m sorry but you must be referring to some other Star Trek Discovery finale, because in the one I saw they ended up NOT blowing up a planet...
Compared to what we got? Not it isn't and it actually ties the mcguffin the entire show is built around into it's finale.
They could have spent 5 minutes discussing that with her and would have made the episode much stronger. Ash could have provided some keys to convincing her to end the war and unite the houses - add more believability to the resolution.
A full season reboot is terrible.
A jump 9 months back, to when they vanished into the MU is fine, but not the entire season.
Man this is (for me) an anti climax where it is for Georgiou a Double climax. That was the only logic thing Georgiou would not risk her live what so ever. A simple bomb an beam me back. For me the 45 minutes took about 20 minutes this thin the season final was. To see the Enterprise will not make it interesting worse we are back to the good old correct/brave federation. This is ecaxtly what they avoid 14 episodes i hope i'm dead wrong for season 2 (please let us not explore new worlds and or civillisations) lets progress beyond that as done with the first 14 episodes.
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Regarding the "Mary Sue" discussion. It is indeed true that in terms of perfection/awesomesauce, Trek captains are typically portrayed as being similar to Burnham onscreen. Kirk and Picard were nearly always right. Sisko usually was right, but when he wasn't, the story made it clear that he would learn some sort of moral lesson and grow from the experience (and he got to become a literal god, giving him the most implausible personal arc of any Trek protagonist). Janeway's actions often gave me whiplash because sometimes she would clearly make what we would consider morally wrong decisions, but the stories were always constructed to make sure we didn't see the first female Trek lead as weak, meaning even if Chakotay or Seven or someone else had a better idea, they had to acquiesce to her for the show to move on (which made it annoying). Archer was a grade-A moron who made tons of stupid decisions (A Night in Sickbay alone was a character assassination of a stunning level) but in the end he got to evolve into a heroic lead in the final two seasons because the show's arc depended upon it.
But you know what these shows didn't have? Other characters continually telling the captain how awesome he or she was. Maybe it's just because within command structure of a ship, complimenting your commanding officer all the time would come across as sucking up? I'm not sure, but that's where the Mary Sue complaints about Burnham come from. It's the other characters constantly praising Burnham. I mean, even characters within Trek canon who were in "long-term" relationships - like Worf and Jadzia, didn't talk about each other the way that we see Tyler talk about Burnham. It's just effin weird, and it is fanfictiony, even if not Mary Sue level.
But you know what these shows didn't have? Other characters continually telling the captain how awesome he or she was. Maybe it's just because within command structure of a ship, complimenting your commanding officer all the time would come across as sucking up? I'm not sure, but that's where the Mary Sue complaints about Burnham come from. It's the other characters constantly praising Burnham. I mean, even characters within Trek canon who were in "long-term" relationships - like Worf and Jadzia, didn't talk about each other the way that we see Tyler talk about Burnham. It's just effin weird, and it is fanfictiony, even if not Mary Sue level.
Yeah I can see the complaints, I mean we need more than a character to be "always right" to get to that mary-sue thing but yes, it's pretty unnatural how she is treated among the crew.
Lorca as well and MU Georgiou.
Honestly Mary Sue has little to do with the character and more how the story and characters are warped around them. To steal the best quote from the Mary Sue Trope video:
"A Mary Sue is not a character, it's an artifact of an over-centralized story."
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