Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

[Agony_Boothb]

She was relatively young for a Vulcan when ENT was on (mid 60s). Vulcans can live for up to 200 years, since Sarek was an old man by the TNG era. During this era T'Pol should be about 165 or so - basically middle aged. They might need to use some light aging makeup on her, but that's all.

For some reason I was thinking she'd be around the age that she was in the season 3 episode 'E2' with that second Enterprise that went 117 years into the past. She was 182 there and seemed pretty old a frail.

 

[McDuff]

- Tilly after passing out would be on her way to Orion as a captured slave. What a moron.

This is not an error of the writer. It was written that way. Sometimes people do stupid things, then regret it. Especially inexperienced people. It's a good idea as any but as usual in TV, writers went a bit to the extreme imo. The scene would have been better if after being told to inhale, she would just put her face there without inhaling anything. Thinking it wouldn't affect her and help pass her off as a bad ass customer with her place in the bar. She could say to people afterward:"I swear I didn't inhale anything. The vapor must have gone through my skin or something. I was out just for a few seconds and he was already there trying to steal the suitcase.". It still a pretty stupid thing to do but it's more believable and everybody did a few very stupid things in their lives.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Biggest mistake Starfleet ever made. Giving her promotion back. She should be in jail for many many years.

Nah, Big Heroes always get their rank back.

 

[wayoung]

I must say, I have so very much enjoyed the experience of talking about weekly Star Trek with you all. Even when we didn't all agree, there was actual passion and excitement for the franchise again, and it's been too long. I'm grateful to DSC for that, and for giving my family, friends and myself a show to love, debate about, be frustrated by, and be thrilled together with once again.

I will definitely miss this. Season 2 can't come fast enough.

My next big Trek adventure (to hold me over): Ticonderoga with family and friends to do the Star Trek TOS set tour with William Shatner!

That looks like a great event. I really regret it knowing about the tour last year when Koenig and Nichols did it. I was devatdebit but I've already went to a bunch of Shatner events so can't justify it. Maybe they'll bring Keonig back this year at some poing, I need his autograph!

 

[Tuskin38]

After thinking it over, I’m dropping my score from 10 to 8. It just was too much in too little of time.

Would have been 7 if the enterprise didn’t show up

 

[CorporalClegg]

Biggest mistake Starfleet ever made. Giving her promotion back. She should be in jail for many many years.

Honestly though, the way her trial tribunal was apparently conducted in the pilot was enough grounds for legal recourse.

The whole thing was poorly written and presented. And this was just the writers' way of washing their hands of the whole thing and moving on.

 

[Vger23]

Shatner??? that sounds like fun. Be prepared for him to talk about himself for many hours though.

Counting on it! VIP tickets acquired!

 

[picardjean-luc]

I agree. I think a LOT will depend on who they cast as the new captain.

Interesting that the new captain would be picked up on Vulcan, BTW.

I hope s/he's not Burnham's adopted cousin

 

[CorporalClegg]

Shatner can talk about himself all he wants to.

Dude has earned the right.

 

[XCV330]

Biggest mistake Starfleet ever made. Giving her promotion back. She should be in jail for many many years.

Burnham committed mutiny but it's never made sense to me that she "caused the war" If anything Admiral Anderson and Georgiou were culpable for that by not taking the threat seriously and dealing with it tactically up front.

After that as a prisoner she was delivered into the hands of a captain that should not have been allowed to command, one way or another. Cornball had misgivings before she confronted him (and did nothing again). He then misused her and and opted her into his own plans. She deserved a break just for improper treatment of a prisoner.

Apart from her mutiny, which, if she'd been successful, might have ended a war early, Burnham has a great record. Yes that's a big stain on a career, but starfleet needs officers and it wont be the last time they get major insubordination, even in her own family. She's a trend-setter.

 

[T'Bonz]

I wasn't keen on the Burnham war speech either, as spoken when they were zooming in on Paris. She spoke about difficulty, and loss and such, but we never saw it! We actually saw very little of the war or of the suffering, so the speech rang rather hollow.

 

[cooleddie74]

Burnham used terrible judgment, but compared to the Starfleet officers in later years who committed actual war crimes and openly violated the Prime Directive for their own gain, killing thousands? She's no saint but she's also no Ronald Tracey.

 

[Spider]

I fast forwarded through Burnham's speech. LOL

 

[picardjean-luc]

Dax is currently in either Emony or Audrid. As for Curzon, all we know canonically is he was born some time before 2267, because he was over a hundred years old when he passed away.

Did the name of the Trill character appear on the cast list? That should've resolved the confusion.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I wasn't keen on the Burnham war speech either, as spoken when they were zooming in on Paris. She spoke about difficulty, and loss and such, but we never saw it! We actually saw very little of the war or of the suffering, so the speech rang rather hollow.

I think she was speaking metaphorically from a personal sense - or rather interpersonal of the Discovery crew who lost two senior staff members and, for better or worse, their captain.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Burnham used terrible judgment, but compared to the Starfleet officers in later years who committed actual war crimes and openly violated the Prime Directive for their own gain, killing thousands? She's no saint but she's also no Ronald Tracey.

And she's no Sloan or Admiral Pressman or Admiral Leyton either.

 

[Refuge]

Biggest mistake Starfleet ever made. Giving her promotion back. She should be in jail for many many years.

Let's be honest though, we all called it weeks ago. You can't have the twit be the lead character and give the writing any credibility. Something had to give

 

[cooleddie74]

Leyton and Captain Erika Benteen conspired to overthrow the elected democratic government of the Federation in a military coup. About 80 years earlier Admiral Cartwright and Colonel West conspired with Klingons and Romulans to assassinate the Klingon Chancellor and murder the Federation President. Compared to them Burnham is just an emotionally conflicted noob.

 

[Vger23]

Leyton and Captain Erika Benteen conspired to overthrow the elected democratic government of the Federation in a military coup. About 80 years earlier Admiral Cartwright and Colonel West conspired with Klingons and Romulans to assassinate the Klingon Chancellor and murder the Federation President. Compared to them Burnham is just an emotionally conflicted noob.

No wai, bruh. Starfleet officers ALWAYS do the moral and ethical thing. Otherwise, not Real Star Trek.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Leyton and Captain Erika Benteen conspired to overthrow the elected democratic government of the Federation in a military coup. About 80 years earlier Admiral Cartwright and Colonel West conspired with Klingons and Romulans to assassinate the Klingon Chancellor and murder the Federation President. Compared to them Burnham is just an emotionally conflicted noob.

Good thing the government leaders are upstanding moral souls.