Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x14 - "The War Without, The War Within"
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Nonsense? Why? The Admiral just told you what happened. You go on following orders or you mutiny. Details are not the privilege of the lower ranks.
It was like every female crew member decided to eat with him. If he wasn't so good looking, would they have? I'd like to say yes, but I know better...
By not including any male crew members, it made women look bad. The old 'women always go after the dangerous bad-boy because he makes their lady-parts hot' is a negative, sexist stereotype, trope, & cliche.
I think the comm officer sat at the table, maybe he likes him too!
They found her working at a Klingon restaurant, for below minimum credits, on some space station called Terok Nor....
Fleets run on rumors, past, present, future.
Exactly. Context is for the kinky. Or something like that.
What? I thought many still liked TNG - "Encounter At Farpoint"?
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I believe that the best way of dealing with our darker nature is to first admit that it exists. Denying our willingness to do evil in certain circumstances is not what prevents us from being evil.
History has shown us that we are capable of great evil, and not just our leaders, ordinary people as well, and at the same time we are also capable of denying the evil we do. Your own country did commit acts of genocide against Japan (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) and to this day the majority of Americans (as far as I can see) are still in denial of the evil that was done on their behalf.
What Discovery is presenting us with is a situation that is an existential threat to the human race. An implacable enemy that views us as lesser beings. T'Kuvma saw war with the Federation as a means to Unite the Klingon Empire. To them we are only a means to an end. They will eat us, or enslave us, or exterminate us, it makes no difference to them. The Klingons we are being shown appear to be a cross between the martial culture of Imperial Japan, the belief of racial superiority of the Nazis and the plundering mentality of Viking raiders of the 9th century.
Star Trek is at it's best when it challenges the way we think. In bringing us to the nuclear option it may be doing that. You see I'm the type of guy who believes that everything can be made right if people would just sit down and talk to each other. North Korea? No problem, just sit down and talk. That's what I think. So presenting an enemy who can't be reasoned with challenges the way I think. And that's a good thing because the only way to validate an idea is to challenge it, and discovery may be challenging my ideas of present and past decisions.
What I really think they are going to do is they will destroy the Klingon home world, and then they will reset it all with time travel and prevent the war from ever happening.
You forgot TNG - "The Naked Now" as the FIRST 'regular' episode of TNG after the Pilot (IE TNG couldn't even start its regular run with a truly new episode...) So yeah, if you want to count Faux Pas of Star Trek series in general, ST: D doesn't come close to previous series as yet.
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Or whatever they do bounces off, hit's Praxis but everything SEEMS alright, and everyone makes up and Starfleet assures them Praxis is totally fine, ok?
Picard certainly was preachy and I didn't like it. With Kirk it was a little less in your face.
I don't think being a black woman has anything to do with it. I have thought about that as honestly as I can, because it is a legitimate question. However I don't think the actress or the colour of her skin is the issue, I think it is the way the character has been written. IMO it would have been better to start with her as the captain for a couple of episodes and give us a chance to bond with her.
Incidentally there have been many Star Trek characters over the years that I have not been totally sold on. Trip in Enterprise for example. I couldn't stand his angry emotional outbursts, couldn't relate to that. Trip is the straight white guy, I'm a straight white guy. Trip is a character I'm supposed to be able to identify with, but I couldn't. I could see more of myself in Travis and Hoshi.
I would. I've got nothing to hide and it looks like a neat experience. Might get something of tangible benefit from the other side, too.
TOS - "The Cloud Minders"
Ardana is a Federation member world.
Plasus routinely uses torture to get information from prisoners; and still routinely executes criminals.
Hell, in the episode once Plasus bars Kirk from returning to the planet (and orders his local planet security forces to kill Kirk should he reappear); Kirk even acknowledges he cannot go against the wishes of a local head of state as it were.
Then there's the Troglodyte situation that even Spock quickly sums up. Read: the people of Stratos are the Masters and the Troglodytes effectively slaves.
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The Federation knows all the above; yet because they allow each member world to govern it's society as the leaders see fit - the Federation Council and member worlds have no issues with it; as long as Ardana fulfills it's obligations to other Federation member worlds (and it's the justification Kirk used to kidnap :laus, etc.)
If Ardana was applying for membership in the TNG era, I'm sure Picard would have done something to change the society first, or recommended Ardana's application be denied as (by TNG Federation standards) they still have some societal issues to resolve.
(And no the above ISN'T the only example I can give from the TOS era - but I don't feel like doing a longer post, this example proves the point I was making.)[/QUOTE]
I literally said, "Awwww, Starfleet people are nice," at that point.
Two guys sat with him as well - perhaps you should run a diagnostic on your own preconception circuits? Or your eyeballs.
Sarek and Picard would agree with you.
What I find kind of ironic if the fact that Mirror Georgiou likes to eat Kelpien and even screws with Saru in the next episode but the Klingon Voq eat the body of the prime Georgiou after the battle of the binary stars. Can't wait to see Tyler face when he see her since he does have Voq's memory's and I really hope they use this fact to bring mirror Georgiou down a peg or too.
So you like to eat Kelpion, they taste good well guess what !
So you like to eat Kelpion, they taste good well guess what !
Has this been confirmed by the production?
Kinda makes you wonder how the Crossfield class even came to be in the MU. It seems rather purpose-built for the spore drive, doesn't it? What with the spinning, segmented saucer, and all?
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