Warner bros announce superhero films through 2020

[Anwar]

^ Well, I'm not prepared to defend everything about Superman II (unlike the first Reeve outing, of which I've never heard a criticism worth countenancing). The amnesia kiss is a crummy idea conceptually, narratively, morally, and pretty much every whichway.

Yeppers. They couldn't even bother giving us a reason why Clark did this...especially if he STILL wants to be with Lois! I mean, if they do get together again, would he just never tell her about what he did to her before?

Amy Adams's Lois figuring out Clark's identity right away, and the two of them proceeding as confidantes and partners from the get-go, was one of the very best decisions the DCEU ever made.

Hell yes. Superhero Love Interests get tons of crap (in fact, female love interests in general get tons of crap) for the false conflict they're forced to create from being cut out of the loop. Eliminating that right off the bat was a smart move.

Sadly, they still couldn't be bothered to think of anything for Lois to do in the subsequent movies except be a damsel...

 

[JD]

I've never been a big fan of the hero hiding his identity from his/her loved ones. It's more fun when the person actually knows what's really going on and can play a more active role in the Superhero elements of the story.

I honestly thought that Carol had better material as Ms. arvel, although I support her...advancement I guess you'd call it, to Captain Marvel If Marvel Comics must use the stolen name, it might as well be on a good character. I mean, Civil wars 1 and 2 really made Carol into a legitimately bad person, but both events did very few characters any favors so I don't really hold it against the character at this point. So, ignoring those events she's always been a top 5 favorite female Marvel hero for me.

OK, that was not the reaction I expected.

 

[Anwar]

I've never been a big fan of the hero hiding his identity from his/her loved ones. It's more fun when the person actually knows what's really going on and can play a more active role in the Superhero elements of the story.

Blame it on cheap lazy writers who can't think outside the box.

I mean look at Iris on the Flash. If Barry had just told her from Day One and she'd been allowed to work with him as a proper ally I doubt she'd be the reviled character she is.

 

[LJones41]

Remember, I have to actually like the movie. I won't lie about it if I do like it, but the DCEU track record isn't exactly in its favor . . .

For me, the DCEU is now in a better place than the MCU.

 

[Christopher]

I've never been a big fan of the hero hiding his identity from his/her loved ones. It's more fun when the person actually knows what's really going on and can play a more active role in the Superhero elements of the story.

Yup. Characters who are just there to be lied to/hidden from are trapped in a limited role. Maybe that's why they've become less common in superhero stories these days.

 

[Anwar]

Yup. Characters who are just there to be lied to/hidden from are trapped in a limited role. Maybe that's why they've become less common in superhero stories these days.

It's also because some writers are realizing that secret IDs are becoming more trouble than they are worth.

Hell, even MCU Aunt May found out Peter was Spidey because they chose not to make her seem so weak and pathetic she'd die just from knowing.

 

[Set Harth]

For me, the DCEU is now in a better place than the MCU.

In Bizarro World, maybe.

 

[Ovation]

In Bizarro World, maybe.

Depends on one's criteria. I enjoy both. I recognize the MCU is far more successful, financially and with critical reviews. However, I still prefer much of the DCEU over much of the MCU. Doesn't make me delusional or unable to acknowledge my view is neither popular nor likely to sway those who disagree with me. But one need not be on "Bizarro World" to prefer the DCEU to the MCU.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Also, @LJones41 started with the important words "to me", making it clear that this is a personal opinion. On a matter that also is up to personal taste. Feel free to disagree, it's still a valid opinion.

 

[Anwar]

In Bizarro World, maybe.

Lljones41 dislikes it when CBMs aren't "grounded" and the heroes conflict with one another and suffer from character flaws, apparently.

 

[Turtletrekker]

He also doesn't like it when superheroes exist in the same world as each other.

 

[Christopher]

He also doesn't like it when superheroes exist in the same world as each other.

I think it's better when they do. I grew up in the days when every superhero movie and TV series existed alone and crossovers never happened (except in the cases of originals and their spinoffs, like the bionic shows and Shazam/Isis), and that felt like a missed opportunity. I mean, if the conditions in a given reality allow for one person to gain superpowers, it stands to reason that others could gain them as well. So it doesn't really make sense for a superhero to be utterly unique in the world.

 

[DigificWriter]

Based on his posts, LJones doesn't like the Marvel Studios films for many of the same reasons that I myself have grown tired of them, such as the formulaic "sameness" of most of said films and a general lack of real "stakes".

 

[dahj]

But one need not be on "Bizarro World"

I dunno... looking at the news these days, this feels like Bizzaro World...

 

[Anwar]

Based on his posts, LJones doesn't like the Marvel Studios films for many of the same reasons that I myself have grown tired of them, such as the formulaic "sameness" of most of said films and a general lack of real "stakes".

Marvel Formula = They get the movies done on time, on budget and take the extra effort to show they're all in one Universe instead of creating an inconsistent mess bogged down by prima donna directors who hate sharing and working together.

No Stakes: They won't kill everyone and nearly destroy the world every movie, and are fine telling more character driven personal stories.

 

[crookeddy]

Marvel Formula = They get the movies done on time, on budget and take the extra effort to show they're all in one Universe instead of creating an inconsistent mess bogged down by prima donna directors who hate sharing and working together.

No Stakes: They won't kill everyone and nearly destroy the world every movie, and are fine telling more character driven personal stories.

Seems they are about to kill everyone and destroy the world in the next Avengers movie...

 

[DigificWriter]

Marvel Formula = They get the movies done on time, on budget and take the extra effort to show they're all in one Universe instead of creating an inconsistent mess bogged down by prima donna directors who hate sharing and working together.

This is not correct. With few exceptions, Marvel Studios' films are generic action pieces with little to no substance thst get churned out and make money because of the adage "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".

DC's films might not have the consistent monetary success as Marvel Studios' films do, but risks are at least being taken with them.

 

[Christopher]

This is not correct.

You misspelled "This is different from my personal opinion."

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

This is not correct. With few exceptions, Marvel Studios' films are generic action pieces with little to no substance thst get churned out and make money because of the adage "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".

DC's films might not have the consistent monetary success as Marvel Studios' films do, but risks are at least being taken with them.

Splitting the fanbase is a strange risk to take, otherwise, they're no more riskier than most of what Marvel is doing. They have less humour, sure, but the formula is still there. Or did Man of Steel not follow the standard origin, meet the bad guy, defeat the bad guy, kiss the girl on the dead bodies formula of most superhero origins? Wonder Woman? Suicide Squad?

 

[Anwar]

Seems they are about to kill everyone and destroy the world in the next Avengers movie...

At least they waited til the proper time to do such a story, after building up the Universe right.

Marvel Studios' films are generic action pieces with little to no substance

If you're expecting them to execute their casts every film and destroy the world all the time, instead of being smart.

Heck, DC is too cowardly to put its' leads in real danger. Wonder Woman and Justice League are both proof of that.

DC's films might not have the consistent monetary success as Marvel Studios' films do, but risks are at least being taken with them.

There are absolutely NO risks at the DCEU, at all.