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[The Borgified Corpse]

In this case, Bruce was addicted to pain and violence. (And wine, if Alfred's quip is anything to go by, although in honesty I wonder if that was a subtle jab at Affleck's drinking.)

The Jeremy Irons version of Alfred is such a catty bitch!

Superman 2 would have been the best Superman movie had the Donner Cut been the official release.

I dunno. The Donner Cut features some bathroom humor that even Richard Lester cut out! Plus, there's the overall structural problem that he gives up his powers to be with a woman who has all but said that he's not good enough for her as Clark Kent.

And as far as the cell phone video is concerned, it's a good thing Snyder wouldn't have done that. Most people hated that. I feel like filmmakers put that kind of stuff in because they're thinking, "Everyone's on a smartphone all the time, everyone uses that stuff now, we don't want to look uncool or out of touch so the film should represent what's going on in the culture" or something along those lines. But it turns out that even though people are glued to their smartphones, they still don't like it when you start your movie with a damnable cell phone video... imagine that!

I really liked that scene. I hated the bad CGI lip but I really liked the scene. It helped tremendously in giving us a more Supermanish Superman than we'd had in the previous films. (Although my issue with Man of Steel & BvS is more one of tone than of actual character.)

 

[Anwar]

I dunno. The Donner Cut features some bathroom humor that even Richard Lester cut out! Plus, there's the overall structural problem that he gives up his powers to be with a woman who has all but said that he's not good enough for her as Clark Kent.

Plus once he gets his powers back he sadistically tortures Zod, beats up that Redneck trucker for no reason but petty revenge and then wipes Lois' memories without her permission.

It's no wonder they didn't bring back Lana after Superman III...put her and Lois in the same room and you'd wonder why Clark was ever attracted to Lois.

Course, even Lacy in Quest for Peace was a better love interest...

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Plus once he gets his powers back he sadistically tortures Zod, beats up that Redneck trucker for no reason but petty revenge and then wipes Lois' memories without her permission.

That's not the Donner cut.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Well, I was mostly talking about the movie in either incarnation, Donner or Lester.

I would disagree with the characterization that he "sadistically tortures" Zod. As has been pointed out, there's something vaguely cartoonish about most of the Reeve movies, so crushing Zod's hand or throwing him into a convenient bottomless pit isn't really something that I would particularly judge by real world standards, particularly given how vile & dangerous a villain Zod was.

As far as beating up that redneck trucker, it's a moment that actually becomes more bizarre in the Donner Cut because, in that version, the earlier scene where he beat up Clark Kent never actually happened. Granted, Clark remembers it, but to everyone else in the diner, including the trucker himself, it looks less like well-earned comeuppance and more like this guy with glasses comes in to beat up an asshole who he's never met.

 

[Anwar]

It also still doesn't change that he gave up his powers to be with his deranged stalker (who wasn't even that great a love interest anyways) and then violated her mind without her permission.

 

[crookeddy]

It also still doesn't change that he gave up his powers to be with his deranged stalker (who wasn't even that great a love interest anyways) and then violated her mind without her permission.

Using a power we never knew he had...

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

As far as beating up that redneck trucker, it's a moment that actually becomes more bizarre in the Donner Cut because, in that version, the earlier scene where he beat up Clark Kent never actually happened. Granted, Clark remembers it, but to everyone else in the diner, including the trucker himself, it looks less like well-earned comeuppance and more like this guy with glasses comes in to beat up an asshole who he's never met.

Not at all. Clark walks in, the trucker is asking for more garbage and being rude to the waitress (it's probably not the first time). Clark then responds, in defense of her. Trucker also physically pushes the old man out of the way behind the counter and then throws the first punch.

Nobody in the diner was bothered by the trucker getting what he deserved, in either version. I almost like it better, the idea that a random stanger shows up and teaches bullies lessons.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Erasing Lois Lane's memory with a magic kiss didn't seem as bad back in an era when it felt like superhero secret identities still meant something. But nowadays, none of the Marvel heroes seem to bother with it apart from Spider-Man and the identities of the current crop of DC heroes are only secret to those who haven't bothered to try. Lex Luthor seemed to know who all of them were in Batman v. Superman without any explanation.

Of course, even in the Nolan movies, while the public at large didn't know who Batman was, it seemed like just about every single named character in the franchise did EXCEPT for the freaking police detective!

 

[Anwar]

Not at all. Clark walks in, the trucker is asking for more garbage and being rude to the waitress (it's probably not the first time). Clark then responds, in defense of her. Trucker also physically pushes the old man out of the way behind the counter and then throws the first punch.

He only threw the first punch because Clark goaded him into it, and it doesn't change that Clark was beating up a defenseless man...because of what he did to CLARK when Clark was powerless.

Erasing Lois Lane's memory with a magic kiss didn't seem as bad back in an era when it felt like superhero secret identities still meant something.

What, he couldn't trust her? The woman he was supposedly in love with? Nice message there, movie.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

He only threw the first punch because Clark goaded him into it, and it doesn't change that Clark was beating up a defenseless man...because of what he did to CLARK when Clark was.

Because that's how bullies work. One and done?

Defenseless people don't grab old men by the head (the owner of the establishment, mind you) and shove them away the way he does. After insulting the food brought by the owner's wife and treating her like trash.The trucker deserved much worse. Superman was a gentleman about it.

 

[The Realist]

Because that's how bullies work. One and done?

Defenseless people don't grab old men by the head (the owner of the establishment, mind you) and shove them away the way he does. After insulting the food brought by the owner's wife and treating her like trash.The trucker deserved much worse. Superman was a gentleman about it.

Much like the nakedly dishonest argument that Supes kills Zod in Superman II, people with an agenda to slag off the Reeve films (mostly in aid of trying to make Snyderman look better) love to pick on this scene, but you're basically right. I'm not going to claim there was no element of personal satisfaction in what Clark did, but the film made abundantly clear that trucker guy was an inveterate, serial asshole and bully of the first order. Giving him an experience that maybe makes him think twice the next time he feels like abusing someone who's seemingly weaker is in no way a bad thing.

 

[Anwar]

Even discounting Zod and the trucker (though I think discounting the Trucker is pushing it), it still doesn't change how Clark gave up his powers to be with a nutbag like Kidder's Lois (especially when SMIII and Quest for Peace would give us much more enjoyable love interests in Lana and Lacy), that he tortures Zod a bit before disposing of him (even if the defeat is protected by camp value) and then violates her mind for....reasons.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Never been in love before, have you?

Makes a lot of us do very stupid, stupid things that we later regret. Often times for nutbags. We just rarely see it at the time.

 

[Anwar]

Never been in love before, have you?

Makes a lot of us do very stupid, stupid things that we later regret. Often times for nutbags. We just rarely see it at the time.

Yeah...too bad the movie still makes us think this was supposed to be some epic love story.

That's not even getting into how the whole Clark/Superman/Lois triangle just makes Clark a douchebag who enjoyed playing some sick mind game with Lois all this time. Getting rid of THAT is one thing I don't mind from the DCEU.

 

[The Realist]

^ Well, I'm not prepared to defend everything about Superman II (unlike the first Reeve outing, of which I've never heard a criticism worth countenancing). The amnesia kiss is a crummy idea conceptually, narratively, morally, and pretty much every whichway.

And while I don't dislike Kidder's Lois as you do, I also don't disagree that (a) Annette O'Toole's Lana Lang was utterly luminous, and (b) Amy Adams's Lois figuring out Clark's identity right away, and the two of them proceeding as confidantes and partners from the get-go, was one of the very best decisions the DCEU ever made.

 

[The Realist]

Speaking of, I find it kind of interesting that all the major Lana castings have been these heartstopping beauties (Annette O'Toole, Stacy Haiduk, Kristin Kreuk), while the choices for Lois often tend to be ... quirkier. Maybe because, in the overall Superman narrative, Lana represents a dream of Clark's romantic past, while Lois is his more tangible and complicated present (and future).

 

[Christopher]

Speaking of, I find it kind of interesting that all the major Lana castings have been these heartstopping beauties (Annette O'Toole, Stacy Haiduk, Kristin Kreuk), while the choices for Lois often tend to be ... quirkier. Maybe because, in the overall Superman narrative, Lana represents a dream of Clark's romantic past, while Lois is his more tangible and complicated present (and future).

Oh, I dunno. Teri Hatcher and Erica Durance were both knockouts. Kate Bosworth was magnificently, sublimely beautiful, though woefully miscast as Lois. Amy Adams... I personally don't find her all that captivating in either looks or personality, but in both respects she's blandly appealing and not what I'd call complicated. Phyllis Coates was somewhat beautiful too, and while Margot Kidder certainly brought the "quirky" in her performance, she was also quite a looker. That basically just leaves Noel Neill.

 

[The Realist]

^ Eh, such things are obviously highly subjective, and I was careful to say Lois castings are "often" quirkier. But to me, among the Loises, only Bosworth and perhaps Hatcher are in the O'Toole/Haiduk/Kreuk stratosphere in terms of sheer physical beauty (though I personally find Amy Adams very attractive as well).

 

[JD]

Remember, I have to actually like the movie. I won't lie about it if I do like it, but the DCEU track record isn't exactly in its favor, and I'm going to be super critical. This isn't Suicide Squad where I can enjoy it as a dumb action movie even if its an awful adaptation of the source material. Outside of a tolerable but bland appearance in a cartoon, there hasn't been a good Captain Marvel story in any media for years, even before the New 52 reboot. The chances of Shazam pulling a Wonder Woman are almost nonexistent.

A lot of people seemed to like the Kelley Sue Deconick run, that was what really seemed to shoot Carol Danver's popularity to wear it is today, and it seems like it'll probably be a big influence on the movie.

 

[kirk55555]

A lot of people seemed to like the Kelley Sue Deconick run, that was what really seemed to shoot Carol Danver's popularity to wear it is today, and it seems like it'll probably be a big influence on the movie.

I honestly thought that Carol had better material as Ms. arvel, although I support her...advancement I guess you'd call it, to Captain Marvel If Marvel Comics must use the stolen name, it might as well be on a good character. I mean, Civil wars 1 and 2 really made Carol into a legitimately bad person, but both events did very few characters any favors so I don't really hold it against the character at this point. So, ignoring those events she's always been a top 5 favorite female Marvel hero for me.