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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x14 - "The War Without, The War Within"

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There is so much to unpack in this episode. There were sooo many character moments that it’s going to take me a while to process everything. So for the time being all I’m going to say is this...

This does not seem like a very good idea...
 
Felt weird mentioning Archer and the NX-01. They feel like very different shows to me.

I could buy Discovery as a sequel to Enterprise, 100 or so years later.

However, I definitely can't buy Discovery as happening only a few years before TOS, and AFTER The Cage.

The ST chronology is definitely broken now, unless you do crazy mental gymnastics to try and justify a lot of the stuff on STD. Some fans are fine with Trek getting a reinvention in this manner. The franchise has been on and off stale for so long that any bold moves to shake things up seem to be welcome.

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Wow. :beer:
 
Prime Lorca appearing is inevitable. Problem is, they won't have him as the series lead. So bringing him back will just be fan service.

If the season were longer, I'd agree it would be inevitable, but I don't know that I think he will be back in 2020 or whenever. Do you think we'll see him next week? If we don't, I'm guessing he's done. I can't see him schlepping back for a cameo.
 
This is like computer science back in the day. Maybe I'll check in at 4 AM when nobody else is on. Flipping CBS.
 
So you know Quo'Nos isn't destroyed, so how does the plan go sideways and how do the Feds win?

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Anyone who actually knows Trek realizes this isn't going to happen. And apparently some version of the mission needs to go off in order to save the Federation. From the trailer, it makes me think some sort of "mutiny" against MU Georgiou will take place (this time successful). If it goes that way, we're almost certainly going to see some sort of reset, because even if Burnham and the Discovery crew are successful in finding another way to defeat the Klingons, they will have directly defied Federation orders, and should all be stripped of rank and imprisoned.
 
I take it there’s no Spacedock yet? I’d would think that’s where they would all go if it was around.
 
Some quick thoughts:

- The episode felt very NuBSG to me. The theme of an implacable enemy launching a devastating surprise attack and one ship alone in a desperate war of survival is very similar to the BSG theme. The dark tone, slow pacing and characters focused on how they are dealing with the war, is also very NuBSG>

- This show is definitely a great "soap opera in space" with the constant plot twists and character twists.

- I would love to see Cornwell as captain of the Discovery. She had that command presence.

- I am still not sure I buy the whole idea of the Federation being on the verge of extinction. The Federation is huge. Yes, the Klingon raids are devastating but they are lone, uncoordinated raids nonetheless. Surely, a fleet as big as Starfleet, even with the losses they have suffered, could mount an effective counterattack. I see it as a situation similar to Pearl Harbor. It was a devastating attack but once the US mobilized its industry, it was able to bounce back and take the fight to Japan. Likely, I think a civilization as big as the Federation would be able to bounce back, rebuild its fleet and counter attack.
 
I take it there’s no Spacedock yet? I’d would think that’s where they would all go if it was around.

According to (admittedly non-canon) sources that were written before DSC premiered Spacedock was constructed sometime in the 2270s and was about a decade old by the time we first see it in TSFS. It doesn't yet exist. Starbase 1 in this series is an entirely different orbital facility.
 
Liked it a lot. A 9 for me, and not in any way filler. It didn't rise to the level of the best this series has done, but it wasn't going to--it's set up, not pay off.

I'd go so far as to say that the show would have been narratively irresponsible if it didn't have a longer, slower episode to address the many character moments on which our investment is going to be built. We got commentary on Ash and Michael, Cornwell and Lorca, Michael and Georgiou, Sarek and Michael, Sarek and Georgiou, Stamets and Ash, and even evidence of character growth for Tilly. We saw Detmer and Bryce edge closer to being fully fleshed out characters. And we finally get to see why those first two episodes of the show were so important to the whole story where at first they seemed like a slightly odd prequel (at least to me, though I liked them).

I wasn't sure at first if I bought that they'd put Georgiou in command (with oversight, I imagine), but hey, the last mirror person they installed on Discovery got them a big advantage in the war, and they're damned desperate. I think I buy it, and it certainly sets the stage for the biggest challenge to Starfleet ideals we've yet gotten, which looks to be the crux of the finale.

Tangent: I'm interested by the Greek and Roman mythological notes this show is dropping, including Virgil and Charon. There's something Achilles and Patroclus-esque about where we find Stamets and Culber. We've been to the underworld and back...who knows what comes next?

Edited for words.
 
I loved Detmer smiling at the end of the episode.
(Haven't seen promo yet)
So obviously Michael is going to advocate another solution where the Klingon houses unite instead of whatever Georgiou'' plans are.

So we're going to have her stage another mutiny.
 
The preview shows a green atmosphere planet similar to how qo’nos looked in the previous tv series
 
The Saratoga seems to have as much luck as the Defiant it seems. One Klingons and then Borg, while the other lost and Breen. :)
 
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