Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[eschaton]

However, there is one thing I will pick up on that you yourself say and that is talk of an agenda. I think one of the differences between past Treks and this one is that past Treks discussed issues and offered arguments for and against. In other words they encouraged the audience to think for themselves and perhaps be persuaded to think differently.

Yeah, I really would have appreciated it if someone - whether Georgiou or Lorca - gave a convincing speech to help understand the MU POV. I mean, I wouldn't agree, but there should be something more nuanced than "freedumb is stupid LOL - life is about will to power!"

I mean, look at DS9. We weren't meant to agree with Eddington or Dukat, but they were at least given a chance to speechify about their own opinions in a way which didn't make them sound like incompetent morons. In Eddington's case, is critique of the Federation was realistic enough to make you wince a bit.

 

[omnirad]

I would question the "star trek ideals" part. I have not seen much of that in Discovery so far. But everything else you wrote is spot on.

Burnham and Saru both got "This is what Star Fleet stands for speeches in 'Past is Prologue'. There is plenty of hope in between the pew pews and Agony booths.

 

[Saul]

Michelle Yeoh kicks f**king Ass in this episode. As a life long fan of Hong Kong & Kung Fu action flicks I literally threw my hands in the air and cheered when she did her stuff. Man.. that was so good. I need a smoke or something after that.
The whole episode just nailed everything. It was like a movie. Definitely worth binge watching now.

Too damn bad Lorca is gone though but I wouldn't be surprised if one day he came back through the spore network.

 

[XCV330]

Burnham and Saru both got "This is what Star Fleet stands for speeches in 'Past is Prologue'. There is plenty of hope in between the pew pews and Agony booths.

That was an awesome moment with a good chunk of crew crowded into the engineering bay, and Saru giving his Crispin's Day speech. Maiden voyage indeed. It shows in how this episode the bridge crew finally gets their voice (liteally) for almost the first time. It was the first group "aye aye" captain I've heard on this show, as well.

 

[Noname Given]

The teaser for next week doesn't really line up with the ending of this week on that score. The Federation have no ability to respond to a signal, not even an automated beacon.... but actually are two thirds still armed and 80% unconquered? Based on what Saru saw, his assessment is accurate. But it seems that the show decided not to be quite so desperate after all.

IF the Discovery is in an area controlled by Klingons, there could be jamming in place that would prevent Starfleet being able to reply. I didn't have much of a problem with that

 

[eschaton]

I dunno if I first saw it here or elsewhere, but someone described last night's episode as "A MCU movie told in the Star Trek universe." I think that's a very fair description. If you think comic book action movies are awesome, you'll like it. If not, you won't.

 

[Chancellor M'rek]

Klingon nav-beacons/AM Talk radio stations?

Oh God. Rush L'imbaq addicted to pain sticks and hoping Chancellor Gorkon fails .

 

[ClintDagger]

Everyone complaining about Lorca losing the fight, did he not defeat Georgiou and have her knocked out? Only to eventually lose because he was distracted by trying to bring Burnham to the dark side?

I only watched the episode once but that’s how I remembered it.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Michelle Yeoh kicks f**king Ass in this episode. As a life long fan of Hong Kong & Kung Fu action flicks I literally threw my hands in the air and cheered when she did her stuff. Man.. that was so good. I need a smoke or something after that.
The whole episode just nailed everything. It was like a movie. Definitely worth binge watching now.

Too damn bad Lorca is gone though but I wouldn't be surprised if one day he came back through the spore network.

Much better fight scene than the one in Battle Of The Binaries. I did shout "Yes!" when Burnham grabbed the Emperor as she transported out- if we get to keep Yeoh, I'll be happy.

 

[Rhodan]

I dunno if I first saw it here or elsewhere, but someone described last night's episode as "A MCU movie told in the Star Trek universe." I think that's a very fair description. If you think comic book action movies are awesome, you'll like it. If not, you won't.

I kinda like MCU, but this was too much even for me.

 

[Saul]

Everyone complaining about Lorca losing the fight, did he not defeat Georgiou and have her knocked out? Only to eventually lose because he was distracted by trying to bring Burnham to the dark side?

I only watched the episode once but that’s how I remembered it.

That's what happened. But if this was the real world he would have had his ass handed to him by Michelle Yeoh.

 

[ISS-Magnum]

Many folks wanted Game of Thrones in space and that's what they got.

But this particular GoT is not written by G.R.R.Martin...

 

[ClintDagger]

That's what happened. But if this was the real world he would have had his ass handed to him by Michelle Yeoh.

Well it’s not the real world. They are playing characters not themselves. But the reason I bring it up is because I see people complaining about Lorca losing the fight and I find that odd since he apparently won the physicality but ultimately got himself killed because of his sentimentality.

 

[Vger23]

Much better fight scene than the one in Battle Of The Binaries. I did shout "Yes!" when Burnham grabbed the Emperor as she transported out- if we get to keep Yeoh, I'll be happy.

More Yeoh is more better.

That's just the facts of it.

 

[Hythlodeus]

But this particular GoT is not written by G.R.R.Martin...

praise the Gods. The old ones AND the new ones!

 

[Vger23]

I kinda like MCU, but this was too much even for me.

Not so fast there, pilgrim. I think comic book action movies suck and I love DSC.

 

[Rhodan]

But this particular GoT is not written by G.R.R.Martin...

Neither is GOT by this point....

 

[Tim Thomason]

Well it’s not the real world. They are playing characters not themselves. But the reason I bring it up is because I see people complaining about Lorca losing the fight and I find that odd since he apparently won the physicality but ultimately got himself killed because of his sentimentality.

Lorca spent the last several days in an agonizer booth, in between torturous sessions talking with Burnham about her feelings (back to the agonizer booth, please). Neural inhibitor or not, he should not be in prime fighting condition. Especially against an Emperor with auto-shurikens at the ready and I assume an assassination attempt every other Tuesday.

 

[eschaton]

This^^^ I agree with this soooo much. A full season arc has been done - ENT Season 3... and yes, better IMHO. Many folks wanted Game of Thrones in space and that's what they got. Unfortunately, GOT in space is just Sci-Fi with some badges and props that look trekish.

Discovery is nothing like Game of Thrones.

Game of Thrones has loads and loads of characters. Discovery has six main characters, and about an equal number of recurring guest characters you keep bumping into.

Game of Thrones uses lots of on-location shooting and extras. Discovery is 90% shot on a sound stage in these cramped little sets.

Game of Thrones is wide and epic in scope. Discovery is very narrow in scope.

Game of Thrones has many different POVs spanning most of a world. In Discovery there is one main character (Micheal Burnham) which is is the primary (and in some episodes, the sole) POV.

Game of Thrones has large portions of its time dedicated to character development. Discovery does not.

Game of Thrones plays essentially as one big show, with maybe only one action piece per season as a concrete episode. Discovery is mostly only semi-serialized, with a few multi-episode arcs (most notably the four-episode MU arc we just ended), but plenty of episodes telling self-contained stories.

I really don't see that many similarities at all.

 

[Vger23]

Burnham and Saru both got "This is what Star Fleet stands for speeches in 'Past is Prologue'. There is plenty of hope in between the pew pews and Agony booths.

I liked that too. It shows that these characters have not "gone dark" as Burnham worried they would...but in fact had their beliefs and values STRENGTHENED as a result of what they've been through.

When you're in the MU or in the middle of a bitter war (or both), there's going to be pew pew and agony booths. The question is not the amount of pew pew and killing, it's how do the heroes handle themselves through all that...and how do they come out of it.

"Context is for kings" indeed.

That's what I care about in Star Trek.