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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

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So slow down to change course? Drop from warp 9 to sublight every time? Sorry, not buying it.
Well, that, and the simple fact is the galaxy moves. The ship has to change course to account for that, and also to account for any objects that may end up being in their path of travel. The idea that they have to slow down to a crawl to change direction is absurd on its face. It would be like saying people driving on the interstate have to come to a stop before they can take the bypass around a major city. It doesn't work that way.
 
Perhaps but its for a few seconds and then they re engage.
Maybe it is possible at warp but it might take longer to position the ship to the correct path since I can’t see them doing abrupt turns at that speed. The turning circle would literally be the size of the sun, perhaps more. :)
 
Perhaps but its for a few seconds and then they re engage.
Maybe it is possible at warp but it might take longer to position the ship to the correct path since I can’t see them doing abrupt turns at that speed. The turning circle would literally be the size of the sun, perhaps more. :)
Why would they have to slow down? They're inside a warp space bubble. The dimensions and relative nature of space is changed inside of the bubble, which allows them to move faster than light without experiencing time dilation. There's no reason at all for them to slow down in order to change course. All they need to do is warp space in a particular direction, and there you go.
 
Reset buttons are lazy, too. As much as I'd love to see PU Georgiou again, I'd rather they just continue forward and deal with the consequences.

Agreed. Don’t know where it’s going but I suspect they saved Georgiou so they’ve got a charismatic lead replacement for Lorca
 
Yeah but I just assume to they come out of warp, change their course and go back into it. Takes a few seconds.

Nothing has been shown to indicate that, on the contrary several times we have seen maneuvers being explicitly carried out whilst maintaining warp speed.

I think this whole "can't change direction at warp" thing sits quite neatly with "can't fire phasers at warp", an idea that somehow gained traction in the fanbase despite all the blatant evidence to the contrary
 
This show is so stupid. It's Star Trek Power Rangers edition.

Georgiou not dying was disappointing. Now we get to suffer through more of Michelle Yeoh's atrocious acting.

For having a massive budget, some of the set and costume designs are embarrassingly bad. The space CGI is also terrible at times. Discovery looked like a cartoon.
 


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"Lorca plans to move forward with a coup against the Emperor, propelling Burnham to make a quick decision to save not only herself, but the USS Discovery." - Memory Alpha


ooh, can I steal this poster for my FB/twitter? Will give you credit :D
 
This show is so stupid. It's Star Trek Power Rangers edition.
I wouldn't go quite that far, especially if you're referring to the first Power Rangers series--MMPR is an embarrassingly bad adaptation of the Japanese original. But I digress.
 
I really enjoyed this. Don't care that Lorca is finished, and I personally hope we never see him again. Pretty boring character, despite Jason Isaacs being as good a fit as any for the role of White North American Male Captain.

Glad - very glad - that Georgiou is back. I hope she's actually back, back.

No idea where we go from here, but excited to find out.
 
Sounds like future episodes will be more regular-Trek: bridge crew suddenly getting dialogue, Isaacs saying they will now work as a family, Saru’s speech, the ship featuring as a character

Hope so
 
Btw, was just listening to Jason Isaacs on After Trek, and he put it well (paraphrasing):

"Those fans who were saying that it doesn't seem like Star Trek, doesn't seem like the Federation... you're right, it wasn't, I was there, screwing things up."

Isaacs is gonna be missed. He did a wonderful job as Lorca.
 
Sounds like future episodes will be more regular-Trek: bridge crew suddenly getting dialogue, Isaacs saying they will now work as a family, Saru’s speech, the ship featuring as a character

Hope so

Not to mention the episode title: What’s past is prologue

The whole first season is a set up to the series proper. Cliffhanger twists, deaths and reveals to..get the non-Trek crowd in? So they’re more likely to stick around for a more standard Federation based series?

Interesting. Possibly clever. Possibly a wasted season
 
Hmmmm.

Not great.

Let's start with the positive. Some great action sequences, enjoyable character interplay between Lorca, Burnham and Georgiou.
This was my favourite Saru performance to date, and if they are setting him up for Captain, they did it well here. I believed it, I liked it, and I bought the crew following him. His speech in engineering was an old school Trek captain pep talk.
Enjoyed the sequence with the Discovery attacking the Cheron at the end, and I loved seeing the Buran finally. I liked Burnham taking responsibility and having agency to drive the story herself, instead of reacting to other people's stories. I particularly liked her line about 'If you'd have asked, we'd have helped'.

Neutral observations: Prime Lorca likely survived the switch then, if the Mirror Mirror method was used. I wonder if he is still alive in the MU or whether that was the Lorca who was killed?
The Stargate similarities continue. This whole episode was so familiar to a Stargate fan like me, it was actually a little distracting. The bits on the Flagship were very like one of the several times SG-1 infiltrate a Goa'uld mothership, the gunfights were very SG-1, especially the rolling flash grenade bit, the emperor's personal shield and wrist based transporter, the whole 'reach the controls and drop the shield to allow us to destroy the superweapon' thing (albeit that is also every sci-fi ever).
The MU continues to make no sense. The same people are there but have radically different fates (Landry is still alive months after her counterpart died) so... how does this translate into the same people in the same places in the future of this universe? I know, I know, don't think about it. But seriously, MU, u mk no sens.


Unfortunately, there's also a 'but'. A big 'but'. And I cannot lie.
Lorca, set him up, for months and months, big reveal! Oh, he's dead. Well, that was worth it. Very much hope that isn't the end of that story, because otherwise that was just a waste of everybody's time.
Speaking of a waste, why bother bringing back Landry for that short cameo? Plus mirror Stamets was essentially just a guy who reads out shield percentages. He didn't actually do much after setting him up at the end of last week. Plus Lorca says he doesn't need him anymore. Really? The guy who probably knows everything about the spore technology powering the ship you're on? And Good God I'd have been confused if I still thought they'd swapped bodies :lol:
The emporer helps Burnham destroy her own ship, even after Lorca is defeated. Odd.
Stamets really doesn't seem to give a shit that Hugh died, does he? Doesn't even mention it. If anything, he's cheerier than ever. This was also a particularly weak performance from Rapp, very stilted and poorly directed. *robot voice* "That is great, Cadet. Now please inform the Captain of your finding" :borg: *awkwardly turns away*.
Some clunky exposition, especially from Stamets and Lorca.
Finally, and most importantly, the ending. "Find out where we are. And when." My heart sank when I heard those words. I was actually expecting them to already be back to the start of the show, so props to them for doing 9 months forward instead, and the scene on the bridge was well done, but it was such an obvious get-out clause for Lorca, Hugh, the war, the spore drive, that it earned epic disappointment points from me.

Overall, I'd give the episode a 6. Enjoyable parts, but some big let downs to temper it.



10/10 from me. I guess time travel will be the solution to win the war
Those sentences don't sit well together, for me. A big temporal reset button as the solution? Even Doctor Who, a show about time travel avoids that one most of the time. I hope it isn't the ending, but I'm also pretty sure it is. The Federation being so defeated that they don't even answer by automated distress call? There's no way that's staying in the timeline.
 
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