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New Series Concept

Does a new Trek series continuing the main timeline interest you?

  • Yes! I'd love to see a new story unfold and what happens next!

  • Nah, I think I'll pass.

  • Neutral. Don't care either way.


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I love everything about this except the human captain. Haven't we had enough of those? Plenty of sci-fi and fantasy epics have non-human leads ("Lord of the Rings," "ET," "The Man Who Fell to Earth," "Thumbelina...") Why can't "Star Trek" just once give us the human experience from a non-Human, or maybe even just a Human/alien hybrid?
 
Let's think about TOS in the 1960's. The civil rights movement was in full swing and we were in a Cold War with Russia, not too long before we had locked up Japanese Americans in concentration camps. With all of this is the minds of the Americans gene roddenberry created a show where an African, Russian, and Japanese man worked along side an American and an alien, who's personality is easily identifiable for people with autism. Tell me that isn't political. I wouldn't say that Star Trek is the most progressive show ever, but it has always leaned toward progressive values. So why stop now because some bigots might not like seeing a transgender on tv?
I don't want to keep going into making this a large argument, so I'll just keep it a bit more brief. The idea that TOS used different ethnicities is still different. Yes, at the time we were still not too far out from WWII, and we were in the Cold War with Russia. I think the idea was more or less to show a truth, that just because we're fighting or fought those groups, not all of them are horrible or hate us or anything like that. In the case of Uhura, she was African-American on a show during a time where Civil Rights was a big deal, and they were fighting for their rights. Kind of falls into the same premise as before in a way.
An alien identifiable with Autism, I can't be fully sure how others feel on that, but as a person who does have Asperger's Syndrome, I know I definitely identified with the logic of Spock.
That still isn't really on the same plane as pushing a political agenda through a television show, especially at a time where you're trying to get some new fans as well. Making a character transgender or anything similar is simply that. It doesn't bring in anything special, other than the usual agenda pushing. In fairness to both sides politically, and to prevent alienation of any viewers, it's just not something I'm comfortable with putting in. You do have to consider both sides in the situation, and not just solely what you want to see because you think everyone should just suck it up, and that those who disagree are "bigots".

With different races specifically for diversity, I don't have a problem with that, as long as they do well with the character. I'm not focused on some invisible quota to have a specific amount of racial diversity or any of the like, especially in a show like Star Trek where there's tons of alien races to focus on instead. In any case, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see what the issue with (very specifically labeled) "straight white men" is.
For roles, whoever in an audition can manage to portray the character best is who gets the role. I'm not gonna run around asking for very specific races for a role, unless that role calls for it. Again, I have no problems with having some diversity, but for a main cast I'm not going to go chasing around looking for a very specific race. I get your concept of having different races for heroic characters and the such, and I think that's completely valid and fair. Just not gonna chase my tail on the matter any further.
As I was recently reminded, too, I can't please everyone. How solid the writing is, the characters are, should be the focus, not how politically correct or favoring of one side or the other it is. If you can't enjoy the series if it makes it, just because it happens to not be fully in favor of your personal or political views, then that's your loss.

Not trying to be rude or nasty, but as time has taught, if I don't have principles to stand by, then what do I have?
 
I love everything about this except the human captain. Haven't we had enough of those? Plenty of sci-fi and fantasy epics have non-human leads ("Lord of the Rings," "ET," "The Man Who Fell to Earth," "Thumbelina...") Why can't "Star Trek" just once give us the human experience from a non-Human, or maybe even just a Human/alien hybrid?
Glad you like it! Makes me feel good to hear that :)
I do agree that indeed 100% human captains as the focus feels a bit stale, but I'm slightly stumped on what to go for instead. I feel like full alien is a bit of a jump, but for a half human/alien species, I just can't figure out what the optimal alien crossover would be. Would really appreciate some suggestions though if you have any.
 
I don't want to keep going into making this a large argument, so I'll just keep it a bit more brief. The idea that TOS used different ethnicities is still different. Yes, at the time we were still not too far out from WWII, and we were in the Cold War with Russia. I think the idea was more or less to show a truth, that just because we're fighting or fought those groups, not all of them are horrible or hate us or anything like that. In the case of Uhura, she was African-American on a show during a time where Civil Rights was a big deal, and they were fighting for their rights. Kind of falls into the same premise as before in a way.
An alien identifiable with Autism, I can't be fully sure how others feel on that, but as a person who does have Asperger's Syndrome, I know I definitely identified with the logic of Spock.
That still isn't really on the same plane as pushing a political agenda through a television show, especially at a time where you're trying to get some new fans as well. Making a character transgender or anything similar is simply that. It doesn't bring in anything special, other than the usual agenda pushing. In fairness to both sides politically, and to prevent alienation of any viewers, it's just not something I'm comfortable with putting in. You do have to consider both sides in the situation, and not just solely what you want to see because you think everyone should just suck it up, and that those who disagree are "bigots".

With different races specifically for diversity, I don't have a problem with that, as long as they do well with the character. I'm not focused on some invisible quota to have a specific amount of racial diversity or any of the like, especially in a show like Star Trek where there's tons of alien races to focus on instead. In any case, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see what the issue with (very specifically labeled) "straight white men" is.
For roles, whoever in an audition can manage to portray the character best is who gets the role. I'm not gonna run around asking for very specific races for a role, unless that role calls for it. Again, I have no problems with having some diversity, but for a main cast I'm not going to go chasing around looking for a very specific race. I get your concept of having different races for heroic characters and the such, and I think that's completely valid and fair. Just not gonna chase my tail on the matter any further.
As I was recently reminded, too, I can't please everyone. How solid the writing is, the characters are, should be the focus, not how politically correct or favoring of one side or the other it is. If you can't enjoy the series if it makes it, just because it happens to not be fully in favor of your personal or political views, then that's your loss.

Not trying to be rude or nasty, but as time has taught, if I don't have principles to stand by, then what do I have?
Roddenberry created a future where humans have grown up and gotten past their petty squabbles. Argueing against putting a transgender in the show because it "pushes a political agenda" would be like saying they shouldnt put a black person in the show because it "pushes a political agenda" when race was a hot political topic of the time. No offense but you are either being ignorant of the politics of the 60's or ignoring them. Also why is treating a transgender as a successful and capable person necessarily "pushing a political agenda"?

And btw Uhura is from Kenya.
 
Glad you like it! Makes me feel good to hear that :)
I do agree that indeed 100% human captains as the focus feels a bit stale, but I'm slightly stumped on what to go for instead. I feel like full alien is a bit of a jump, but for a half human/alien species, I just can't figure out what the optimal alien crossover would be. Would really appreciate some suggestions though if you have any.

I'll give it a shot.

Human/Vulcan is probably off the table, since that would be a Spock repeat. Here are a few other ideas off the top of my head.

Human/El Aurian: This guy might have a personality comparable to Aragorn; older and more world-weary than he looks. He might have a vendetta against the Borg for what they did to his El-Aurian parents' species. The El-Aurian lifespan would also offer a greater opportunity for backstory. He could have been present for events as far back as TOS or even "Enterprise," and you could tie various canon people or events into his backstory. El Aurians can also sense changes in the timeline (just putting that out there).

Human/Betazoid: This captain would have a unique understanding of his or her crew, as well as a frustration with it, if he or she is tired of hearing others' thoughts all the time. Or just feeling others' emotions if they're an empath like Troi.

Human/Trill: Human heritage made him unfit to be joined, so he went into Starfleet instead.

Human/Bajoran: I got nothing, other than the flat, stereotypical religions aspect of the Bajorans. Maybe he mixes his parents' religions and wears a Bajoran earring with a Catholic cross on it, or something.

Human/Some race we were once at war with (Romulan, Cardassian, Klingon): This would make him an excellent diplomat and optimist about solving conflicts peacefully. Maybe too much of an optimist for his own good.

Human/Q: The Q are constantly trying ot recruit or take advantage of him, but he has chosen to live among mortals and rejected the powers of a Q. As a half-Q, you could pick and choose which abilities could make for useful story tools.

Human/Orion: His mother was an Orion slave who his father bought out of slavery and rescued. As a result, this captain wants to do for others what his father did for his mom, and perhaps takes his mission to "save" people from "evil" societies too far at times. This could also be the case if his rescued parent came from a species living under the rule of the Klingon or Romulan empires. (STO suggests that the Orions are ruled by the Klingons, for what it's worth.)

Human/Ktarian: Since we know virtually nothing about the Ktarians, and the three we see look nothing like each other (Naomi, Etanna Jol, and the unfortunate assimilated bastard), it's safe to say they're a very diverse species, so you could probably do whatever you want with this one.

Human/Vorta: His Vorta parent is devoted to the Founders, and the captain may be forced to fight his own parent to protect his ship and the Federation. The offpsring of a natural and engineered species could also be pretty interesting.

That's all I've got.
 
And btw Uhura is from Kenya.
IIRC, this was never stated. Give what the show presented, Uhura could have been from anywhere in Africa.
I do agree that indeed 100% human captains as the focus feels a bit stale, but I'm slightly stumped on what to go for instead
Invent a brand new species of your own design, you don't have to use a pre-existing alien.
 
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Roddenberry created a future where humans have grown up and gotten past their petty squabbles. Argueing against putting a transgender in the show because it "pushes a political agenda" would be like saying they shouldnt put a black person in the show because it "pushes a political agenda" when race was a hot political topic of the time. No offense but you are either being ignorant of the politics of the 60's or ignoring them. Also why is treating a transgender as a successful and capable person necessarily "pushing a political agenda"?

And btw Uhura is from Kenya.
I'd say gotten over a lot of things, but not everything. It's also still not the same argument. Granted I'm not even close to old enough for the 60s, and my area of interest historically has lied more in the WWII and Korean War era, but it's still a difference. Making a character transgender just to have that tossed in there, especially if being such doesn't contribute anything, and it's a major controversial issue, is just asking for trouble and to become a steaming hot mess. I just simply don't want to get into such a major thing, especially when it has the possibility of being the first new series airing on television in absolute ages. You draw more viewers with enjoyable content that more people can agree with, rather than stuff that could have viewers at eachother's throats instead.
Also not sure about the specific character of Uhura (and even then, it's still in the future), but Nichelle herself is American.
 
I'm pretty sure they established that she was Kenyan in "the man trap", after the alien takes the form of a black man.
Because she spoke swahili? Swahili is a trade language, if you were a trader you would speak your own language and swahili too which you'd use as you travel from place to place.

It isn't solely spoken in Kenya.
 
I'll give it a shot.

Human/Vulcan is probably off the table, since that would be a Spock repeat. Here are a few other ideas off the top of my head.

Human/El Aurian: This guy might have a personality comparable to Aragorn; older and more world-weary than he looks. He might have a vendetta against the Borg for what they did to his El-Aurian parents' species. The El-Aurian lifespan would also offer a greater opportunity for backstory. He could have been present for events as far back as TOS or even "Enterprise," and you could tie various canon people or events into his backstory. El Aurians can also sense changes in the timeline (just putting that out there).

Human/Betazoid: This captain would have a unique understanding of his or her crew, as well as a frustration with it, if he or she is tired of hearing others' thoughts all the time. Or just feeling others' emotions if they're an empath like Troi.

Human/Trill: Human heritage made him unfit to be joined, so he went into Starfleet instead.

Human/Bajoran: I got nothing, other than the flat, stereotypical religions aspect of the Bajorans. Maybe he mixes his parents' religions and wears a Bajoran earring with a Catholic cross on it, or something.

Human/Some race we were once at war with (Romulan, Cardassian, Klingon): This would make him an excellent diplomat and optimist about solving conflicts peacefully. Maybe too much of an optimist for his own good.

Human/Q: The Q are constantly trying ot recruit or take advantage of him, but he has chosen to live among mortals and rejected the powers of a Q. As a half-Q, you could pick and choose which abilities could make for useful story tools.

Human/Orion: His mother was an Orion slave who his father bought out of slavery and rescued. As a result, this captain wants to do for others what his father did for his mom, and perhaps takes his mission to "save" people from "evil" societies too far at times. This could also be the case if his rescued parent came from a species living under the rule of the Klingon or Romulan empires. (STO suggests that the Orions are ruled by the Klingons, for what it's worth.)

Human/Ktarian: Since we know virtually nothing about the Ktarians, and the three we see look nothing like each other (Naomi, Etanna Jol, and the unfortunate assimilated bastard), it's safe to say they're a very diverse species, so you could probably do whatever you want with this one.

Human/Vorta: His Vorta parent is devoted to the Founders, and the captain may be forced to fight his own parent to protect his ship and the Federation. The offpsring of a natural and engineered species could also be pretty interesting.

That's all I've got.
Oooh, I do like those ideas! Human/Trill idea is especially interesting to me. I do like that indeed... Human/Q is also amusing, and could make for a good plot point if I could ever get John de Lancie to cameo as Q again. Ktarian is pretty good too... Ah, I have to think a while on all of these, I really do love them!
 
Also no problem you don't like the idea of an Urkel style character, but just curious on what your reasoning is? (At least for me, I wasn't thinking like some geeky/nerdy looking kid, but more or less some of the more klutzy/danger prone/over-confident characteristics) Wasn't sure either way anyways just because of not wanting to seem too much like another Barclay.
It would be another Barclay, which I seriously doubt could be done as well as he was.

As for a non-human Captain I'd drop the hybrid idea and make them 100% alien, whilst you could go nuts and create a whole new species, there are loads out there that have only been touched on or that deserve more screen time: Arbazan, Bolian, Catullan, Deltan, Efrosian, Fabrini, Grazerite, Hekaran, Ikaaran, J'naii, Ktarian, Lothra, Melthusian, Napean, Osaarian, Peliar Zelan, Rhaandarite, Saurian, Tiburonian, Ullian, Vissian, Xindi, Yattho, Zaldan.
 
Because she spoke swahili? Swahili is a trade language, if you were a trader you would speak your own language and swahili too which you'd use as you travel from place to place.

It isn't solely spoken in Kenya.
I know it isn't only spoken in Kenya, I thought she said something about Kenya when talking to him. But I went back and re watched the scene and she doesn't. I don't know if I'm thinking of a different episode or made it up.
 
I'd say gotten over a lot of things, but not everything. It's also still not the same argument. Granted I'm not even close to old enough for the 60s, and my area of interest historically has lied more in the WWII and Korean War era, but it's still a difference. Making a character transgender just to have that tossed in there, especially if being such doesn't contribute anything, and it's a major controversial issue, is just asking for trouble and to become a steaming hot mess. I just simply don't want to get into such a major thing, especially when it has the possibility of being the first new series airing on television in absolute ages. You draw more viewers with enjoyable content that more people can agree with, rather than stuff that could have viewers at eachother's throats instead.
Also not sure about the specific character of Uhura (and even then, it's still in the future), but Nichelle herself is American.
It is undoubtedly the same thing. In the 60's African Americans were fighting back against systematic oppression and bigotry, and Star Trek inserted a woman of African descent into an important role on the show. Now transgenders are pushing back against systematic oppression and bigotry, so why not have some important character be a transgender. If being a transgender adds nothing to a character (which isn't necessarily true, it depends on how you right the character), then how does someone being cisgender add anything?

Also you don't think that having an interracial kiss on television offended some viewers (interracial relationships, were not just frowned upon, but resulted in the murders of some in an interracial relationship)? But now that is one of the things Star Trek is famous for. Also you think that MLK would have asked nichelle to stay on the show if he didn't know that seeing characters of your own race as important characters is inspiring to young people.
 
It is undoubtedly the same thing. In the 60's African Americans were fighting back against systematic oppression and bigotry, and Star Trek inserted a woman of African descent into an important role on the show. Now transgenders are pushing back against systematic oppression and bigotry, so why not have some important character be a transgender. If being a transgender adds nothing to a character (which isn't necessarily true, it depends on how you right the character), then how does someone being cisgender add anything?

Also you don't think that having an interracial kiss on television offended some viewers (interracial relationships, were not just frowned upon, but resulted in the murders of some in an interracial relationship)? But now that is one of the things Star Trek is famous for. Also you think that MLK would have asked nichelle to stay on the show if he didn't know that seeing characters of your own race as important characters is inspiring to young people.
I'm just ending the whole argument before it gets further out of hand. You can disagree with me, be offended, refuse to watch because I'm not in favor of the idea, vote against the idea because of my principles/what I'm sticking to, etc, and that's fine by me. Like I said before, I won't ever be able to make absolutely everyone happy. This shouldn't be about fighting though, it should be about constructive criticism, new ideas, encouragement, etc.
 
I'm just ending the whole argument before it gets further out of hand. You can disagree with me, be offended, refuse to watch because I'm not in favor of the idea, vote against the idea because of my principles/what I'm sticking to, etc, and that's fine by me. Like I said before, I won't ever be able to make absolutely everyone happy. This shouldn't be about fighting though, it should be about constructive criticism, new ideas, encouragement, etc.
This was about constructive criticism and I was trying to illustrate how you should take inspiration from Star Trek to create a bright and inclusive future, like TOS did, I'm sorry that you failed to see this.
 
It would be another Barclay, which I seriously doubt could be done as well as he was.

As for a non-human Captain I'd drop the hybrid idea and make them 100% alien, whilst you could go nuts and create a whole new species, there are loads out there that have only been touched on or that deserve more screen time: Arbazan, Bolian, Catullan, Deltan, Efrosian, Fabrini, Grazerite, Hekaran, Ikaaran, J'naii, Ktarian, Lothra, Melthusian, Napean, Osaarian, Peliar Zelan, Rhaandarite, Saurian, Tiburonian, Ullian, Vissian, Xindi, Yattho, Zaldan.

TBH, many if not most of those "hybrid" ideas I proposed would work just as well with a full alien captain. (The Trill who can't be joined, the Betazoid, the El Aurian with a grudge against the Borg...)
 
An El-Aurian would be an interesting choice, given their long lives then it opens up a whole lot of possibilities about what they've done in the past, one mystery could be that they weren't among the 47 rescued from the Lakul but don't speak of how they came to arrive in the Alpha Quadrant.
 
TBH, many if not most of those "hybrid" ideas I proposed would work just as well with a full alien captain. (The Trill who can't be joined, the Betazoid, the El Aurian with a grudge against the Borg...)
An El-Aurian would be an interesting choice, given their long lives then it opens up a whole lot of possibilities about what they've done in the past, one mystery could be that they weren't among the 47 rescued from the Lakul but don't speak of how they came to arrive in the Alpha Quadrant.
Hmm, I think a half-trill is my favorite idea currently, but I think a full trill could still work equally well. Either way, a half-alien captain or full are both unique concepts to the series, at least as Captains of the main ship. I definitely think I'll make that change though. Just gotta finish off the traits for the Captain then, and that'll just leave me with figuring out a solid personality for the Commander, and a few recurring characters, and I think I'll pretty much have characters complete.
Appreciate all the ideas guys! Also used your description of Koren Garak if you don't mind, Bry. I really loved it.
 
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