New Series Concept

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by TheGameAce, Dec 5, 2017.

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Does a new Trek series continuing the main timeline interest you?

  1. Yes! I'd love to see a new story unfold and what happens next!

  2. Nah, I think I'll pass.

  3. Neutral. Don't care either way.

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  1. Dukhat

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    Not to burst your bubble (because my intention is not to shoot down your ideas), but that's not how things work. CBS isn't just sitting around waiting for people to contact them with pitches, especially people with no writing credits to their name. They already have a stable of talent at their disposal for whatever projects they decide to do in the future.

    Now here's my advice, for what it's worth. If you seriously think you have a gift that you want to share, write a story that takes place in your own universe. Use Trek as an inspiration, but stay as far away from it as you can and try to come up with something original, because as Takeru said, your chances with ST are slim to none.
     
  2. TheGameAce

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    I didn't expect them to just be sitting around waiting for people to contact them with pitches, and I know the chances are nearly not there at all. Like I explained before, I can't/won't explain why I'm confident, but I still am. In any case, it still can't hurt to try. I'd rather have determination and carry this project to the end, even if it doesn't get put to use, than just abandon it because some people think that it's pointless to try for it.
    It's still possible, it's just not gonna be easy. I mean heck, a lot of things in the past were considered longshots, crazy, etc, but because people tried they happened.
     
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  3. Bry_Sinclair

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    If there is an actual genuine (if somewhat slim) chance of getting this made then I would advise that you then let go of "what feels right" to you and instead focus on what will make the studio the most money, which would mean appealing to as many demographics as possible whilst also trying to make it as original as you can within the established universe, with less focus on "tech that will look cool" and more on characters people actually like and want to watch.
     
  4. TheGameAce

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    Not sure if I want to make the Captain an alien, or at least a full alien. Feel like Andorian would be a bit too odd for new viewers as well. Just something about it strikes me as off. It's a very interesting character concept though.

    Deltan didn't feel overly fitting to me, although thinking to it, female first officers are still just as scarce as males I'd say. Think that could definitely be a worthwhile change, and I do like how you described her though.

    While I still feel very strongly about my Chief Science Officer, I do like your entire idea there, even if it were for a race to be focused on at a time. Very cool idea, and definitely something to think about.

    The reason I prefer male is that I see the concept as almost a grandfatherly figure.

    I really like that description quite a bit! Mind if I use it to some capacity?

    Bit of an odd species, and almost feels like it strikes a timid/cowardly style. I get what you're going for, but I can't shake that it feels a bit like that.

    Definitely an interesting final concept, but still trying to picture that. At the very least if an 8th character were possible/8th as a recurring character but that isn't constant, I do like the idea and think it could be used well.

    Maybe I'm not explaining the feeling well at all, but I just can't explain it. It's kind of like a part of that special gift, like it says "this is just right!" or "on the right track!". While I understand the importance of focusing on what will make the studio the most money, I also understand the importance of not letting money be the only thing that talks. That's how we've ended up with another prequel series exclusively on a paid service, at least here in the states. I definitely don't want a focus on "tech that will look cool" either, since that feels like a lot of the JJ Abrams style.
    I don't know whether any of what I said even makes sense to you, or whether I'm explaining things properly, and maybe I can't properly explain it, at least right now, but I do understand what you're saying and I think I have a general idea of what to do, how to pitch it, etc.
     
  5. Bry_Sinclair

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    I hate to be a harsh realist but that's just the way the world works, despite the fact the Trek is quite the opposite of the current capitalist-driven society in which we live how it develops and what it will be is most likely based on how much money it'll make the studio. It is admirable that you want to stick to your principles but even if you're the offspring of the CBS chief exec and he's promised to give you a shot at the next Trek series I wouldn't see it lasting longer than the pilot if its not commercially viable.
     
  6. TheGameAce

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    Yeah, I get that. I've been thinking of ways to make sure it's balanced out enough, so that hopefully shifts can be made that keep leading to good principles, while still convincing CBS/studio/whoever needed that by doing (insert example here) they'll still be making plenty of money.
    Because I mean I get it, they need to make a profit and I'm not faulting them for that. Money is indeed an important thing. My perspective is that they should be able to, and have a focus on, creating quality content that appeals to the best audience possible, while still making that money they so badly need.
    In any case, I think it depends on how the idea is presented, being able to show the capability of quality and good revenue at the same time. Fortunately I'm not too shabby with economics, and combined with a bit more research, hopefully I'll be able to come up with just enough, especially if I could sell others on it, to sell executives on it.
     
  7. Willsky7

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    No offense but I don't think this is a good idea for a new series. The only series that doesn't take place on a starship is ds9, and among them we have seen them go to dozens of planets and encounter a bunch of cheap aliens. We have also seen a series that deals with the idea of the federation being forced into a war, ds9.

    We need something fresh and new from Star Trek, if we just continue to see the same thing what is the point of watching a new series.

    Personally I would be more interested in a series with a new setting, but keeps true to the values and attitude of the federation (I don't want a show where the drama is derived from interpersonal conflict).

    A series following a group of young aliens attending starfleet academy. This wouldn't have to be a long series, just four short seasons (10-13 eps each). This would show us a more in depth view of starfleet ethics.

    Or what if we see a series that follows an inter dimensional ship. This would allow for some new and very alien scenarios and aliens. This would be kinda similar to other series, but the visuals and even the design of the ship could be very different and unique.
     
  8. TheGameAce

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    Eh, that's fine. I'm not expecting everyone to be pleased or understand all my ideas behind it. Just mainly here right now to run ideas by other fans, just to help give some different perspectives, so it may not sound as good here. The actual script/plot right now makes it sound a lot more interesting.
    Not having a goal of a war like DS9, but definitely am going back towards the TNG style, just since I feel that's the best option right now. The franchise hasn't even seen a new series (unless you count Discovery) since the early 2000's, and even then, it wasn't well received. I think the best bet is returning majorly to the style that TNG had, while twisting it around just a bit, and utilizing Trek's infinite possibilities, to create something new that gets attention still.
    While I think it would be nice later on to have another series like DS9, taking place off of a Starship, I think the idea would need a re-stabilized franchise through a standard main series first, and even then it would have to be as solid in concept as DS9 to work out well.
    At least for me, I just feel a bit of fresh imagination and attentiveness to detail and care for the fan-base and canon, even if using the same general concept as before, can still work quite well.
     
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  9. Willsky7

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    I can see you point, I am just now watching DS9 and VOY then I will move on to enterprise, since I just got a chance to start watching Star Trek 2 years ago. So to me, since this is all fresh in my brain, I don't really need another series about a star ship flying around. But to people who saw this when it aired, or haven't seen it in years, would probably like a series like this. Although no matter what I think that soon it would be a good idea to explore the Star Trek universe in a different way and create a radically new series.
     
  10. Tim Walker

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    One idea that has been mentioned-make both the Captain and the First Officer women. That would help get away from the default setting in which the highest ranking officers are always male.
     
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  11. Bry_Sinclair

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    Or a series where only two or three of the main cast are male.
     
  12. TheGameAce

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    Honestly, other than for the sake of a bit of extra diversity, I just don't get what the obsession with more females is. As long as the characters are good, it shouldn't matter tons. Highest rankings also aren't always male, which was shown several times. DS9 had Kira as the second in command there, Enterprise had T'Pol, Discovery of course has... err.... I forget her name offhand but I think everyone knows who I mean, and Voyager of course has Janeway.
    Not saying it's a bad idea, just don't see the point of dwelling on such a matter too much.
    May update some more info soon as well. Been slower with working on it lately, doing a lot of fish care.
     
  13. Willsky7

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    How about a transgender captain instead, we've already had a female captain. Also why not more ethnic diversity, how about some Indian or middle eastern main characters, or hell what about a Hispanic main character (I may be wrong but b'elana is the only Hispanic character I've seen and she is also part Klingon) so why not a Hispanic human, or even a Romani main character (talk about an ethnicity that is horribly discriminated, and no one does shit about it, that could bring awareness to the issues that community is facing).
     
  14. Bry_Sinclair

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    ^ Whilst it's always good to see plenty of ethnicities represented in Trek, human culture seems to have become an amorphous blob with no real distinctions, where they all live harmoniously, which makes them kinda dull compared to some more interesting and different alien characters.
     
  15. Willsky7

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    To a certain degree you are right, however there are many characters in Star Trek with clear cultural differences. Checkhov is a proud Russian, Scotty is a proud scots man, o'brien is a proud Irishman, Sisko is from Louisiana (and that has a major impact on his character), we even see native Americans (who have stuck to their traditional ways) in "journey's end" and in chakotay. Star Trek is less about earth cultures all becoming one, and more about the fact that humans have grown past their differences.

    Of course the alien cultures are very interesting as well, but many parallel earth cultures. The klingons are kinda similar to feudal Japan (as well as soviet Russia in TOS), cardassians have similarities to Nazi germany, vulcans are a representation of scientists (who have also have a culture, but it's not based on geography) and the vulcans also have arranged marriages (which we see in many pastoral countries), in some ways romulan culture is similar to that of Ancient Rome (they are a sneaky race that will stab you in the back, how Caesar died), bajorans have some parallels with the Jewish people in Europe (they have been through similar atrocities).

    So why not represent some different groups of people that get little representation in our media?
     
  16. TheGameAce

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    As part of trying to keep things back to the friendlier style to a wider audience, as well as due to the nature of the current Trek universe, that's something at least I personally will not allow. It's far too controversial in several ways, and leans far too heavily in one direction politically. It's just one massive can of worms, and not something that I can see a lot of viewers going for. Not sure fully about others, but at least for me, if I want miserable political or controversial topics, I'll turn on the news and groan for a while. I'll probably get a lot of crap for saying that, but so be it if it happens.
    With races, I also don't get why that's a focus. Does it really matter that much? It should be fine no matter what as long as the actor can pull off the role well, making the character enjoyable and interesting.

    Quick note as well: Shifting roles a tiny bit, changing the Chief Engineer to being strictly that, and giving the role of Operations Officer to the Chief Science Officer. It seemed like a better way to keep roles from getting over-complicated.
    Also curious what people would think of a Steve Urkel style character as an Assistant Engineer that occurs once in a while like Reginald Barclay did?
     
  17. Bry_Sinclair

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    If a good actor was in the role they could "pull off" a transgender character as well as a binary one, for precisely all the reasons you say you're against it. Have Trek be controversial (interracial kiss on TV in the 1960s not ringing a bell?) and stand out, give the franchise back its depth instead of flashy special-effects driven window dressing, let people get behind characters they can relate too and help others see how such people can live a happy, fulfilling and productive life, just like anyone else regardless oh how they identify themselves.

    Had to google Urkel and after doing so, I'd have to go with no.
     
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  18. TheGameAce

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    They plausibly could, but I just don't think it's a good idea. I find there to be a difference between things that are extremely controversial, and something that occurs for a single episode and provides some good food for thought. Maybe I'm not presenting myself well with my thoughts on the matter, maybe I am, but it's just not something I feel is a good idea. There should (and shall) be some matters to make people think and give them new ideas, and challenge them to be better people and give it everything they've got in life, still. I just have to think a bit more, and being depressed right now doesn't help.

    Also no problem you don't like the idea of an Urkel style character, but just curious on what your reasoning is? (At least for me, I wasn't thinking like some geeky/nerdy looking kid, but more or less some of the more klutzy/danger prone/over-confident characteristics) Wasn't sure either way anyways just because of not wanting to seem too much like another Barclay.
     
  19. Willsky7

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    Let's think about TOS in the 1960's. The civil rights movement was in full swing and we were in a Cold War with Russia, not too long before we had locked up Japanese Americans in concentration camps. With all of this is the minds of the Americans gene roddenberry created a show where an African, Russian, and Japanese man worked along side an American and an alien, who's personality is easily identifiable for people with autism. Tell me that isn't political. I wouldn't say that Star Trek is the most progressive show ever, but it has always leaned toward progressive values. So why stop now because some bigots might not like seeing a transgender on tv?
     
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  20. Willsky7

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    Also to your point about why race matters. Just look at the media here in the west, almost all major roles in the media are occupied by straight white men. We have a few examples of shows that break this rule, but especially in action shows and movies it's almost always white people. For non white americans, as well as people around the world that will also watch this, it can be depressing to never see people like you being the hero. This does have an actual psychological effect on young people, if they see diverse heroes (and some of them look like them) this could only inspire more people. For example women have been very underrepresented in the STEM fields, not because they can't do it (Marie curie won 2 novel prizes, and Marie goerpert mayer has won the physics prize), but because all the scientist they hear about and see in media are almost always male (thankfully this is slowly starting to change, but it has kept them out of these fields for decades).
     
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