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News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

Serveaux said:
I don't mind melodrama, either. It's just that by it's nature it's "this is good enough to get by" storytelling. Discovery is as forgettable as an episode of Blue Bloods.



Seriously? Because they say that? :lol:

No. The show hasn't had a damned thing to say or an observation to make with regard to politics that's been worth the effort to make it.
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What do you mean? The Klingons have had many keen observations about what people in the alt right, really think but we simply didn't hear them because of the Klingon teeth making it impossible to make out. and:)

Actually I agree they haven't done a great job but they haven't been over-the-top with it and I mostly blame the bad Klingon makeup and look on it. The Klingons were sabotaged from the start and nobody fixed the problem. Maybe they will get a upgrade in season 2.

Jason
 
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I'm still quite flummoxed how Glenn Hetrick and Neville Page allowed such abominations to appear on screen and yet not have some input as to how to make them look better. They made literally ALL the mistakes they take other artists to task for on Face Off. I know it was Fuller's & Kurtzman's (mostly Fuller's) "vision" from the start, but still...FFS!
 
I think Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis also felt like good Trek shows. I would also toss in "Seaquest" season 1, only problem was the show wasn't very good.

Jason
 
Serveaux said:
Not at all. Even as light as it is, Orville reaches for the same things that Trek did...SG had no such ambitions.

Although Orville occasionally resemble SG-1 tonally as much as it does Trek.
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Granted I'm only a few episodes in, but Orville is literally remaking Star Trek episodes.

"Command Performance" = All those episodes where an unprepared underling is thrust into command for the first time

"About a Girl" = TNG: "Measure of a Man"/"The Outcast"

"If the Stars Should Appear" = TOS: "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"

"Pria" = TNG: "A Matter of Time"

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying it. But it's going nowhere Trek hasn't been before. It reminds me of the way Trek recycled it's own plots, like DS9 "Time's Orphan" becoming "E2", only this time the serial numbers have been filed off.
 
Just like in that episode of Buffy where Xander is split into two different Xanders.

Discovery and Orville are BOTH Trek! Both are missing the part of Trek the other has.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
Granted I'm only a few episodes in, but Orville is literally remaking Star Trek episodes.
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No. Getting "Pria" out of "Matter Of Time " for example, is done by mapping a couple of plot points while ignoring or being deaf to all matters of theme and character.

To play that game, Trek has been "literally remaking" its antecedents and - over time - its own previous episodes since the very beginning.

But what the Hell, this is what Trekkies do.
 
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All of Discovery's major plotlines are pure fanwank - Klingon wars, Mirror Universes...all recycled bullshit aimed only at stimulating hardcore Trekkies.

Other than people who already love this stuff, there's no reason an adult with a brain would care about it.
 
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Serveaux said:
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All of Discovery's major plotlines are pure fanwank - Klingon wars, Mirror Universes...all recycled bullshit aimed only at stimulating hardcore Trekkies.

Other than people who already love this stuff, there's no reason an adult with a brain would care about it.
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I'm not sure you know what Fanwank is. Seems like your definition of 'Fanwank' is 'Stories I'd prefer they not do'.

Also, the thing about 'Only people who already love this stuff would care about it', you do realize you are defending *Orville*, right? The show that mimics Berman era Trek so closely that it's specifically meant to please that eras fans and only that era's fans?

Nice how fast you went to the 'Everybody who disagrees with me is just an idiot' argument though, saves me the trouble of thinking it's worth arguing with you.
 
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King Daniel Beyond said:
Episode 2 just aired in the UK. It was fun, but why couldn't Klyden sit on the egg??
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Serveaux said:
I don't know, other than that they established that it was Bortus's egg. There may be something customary or even biological that goes with that.
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I just figured they took turns, I mean someone had to be sitting on it while Bortus was talking to mercer about getting a few days leave.
 
Hartzilla2007 said:
I just figured they took turns, I mean someone had to be sitting on it while Bortus was talking to mercer about getting a few days leave.
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I doubt it. If they took turns, there should have been no reason why Bortus couldn't return to duty and relieve Alara of command like she tried arguing with him to do.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I'm not sure you know what Fanwank is. Seems like your definition of 'Fanwank' is 'Stories I'd prefer they not do'.

Also, the thing about 'Only people who already love this stuff would care about it', you do realize you are defending *Orville*, right? The show that mimics Berman era Trek so closely that it's specifically meant to please that eras fans and only that era's fans?

Nice how fast you went to the 'Everybody who disagrees with me is just an idiot' argument though, saves me the trouble of thinking it's worth arguing with you.
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