There was also the 24th century Challenger Class USS Buran that was destroyed at Wolf 359.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"
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Ah. Still, I think at this point, without more information we must assume Mirror Lorca replaced Prime Lorca around the time the Buran was destroyed (based on the Admiral's comment that he "hasn't been the same since the destruction of the Buran").
Some hate watch, some blindly love it no matter what.
I find both cases equally absurd.
Maybe is the love for the ST universe or the love of fans pissing eatchother
Who knows!
For now I am in the 3rd situation: I expected a new ST (not very high expectations) and I am very disappointed from the result. Mostly cause, IMHO of course, I find the showrunners approach random, superfluous and insulting , without a vision or love for the Franchise.
In any case, I keep watching hopping it will get improved. If there is no happy end for me, I will stop watching. Not sure though I will stop stating my disappointment in the forum
Can't wait...
What do you think happened to Lorca Prime? Killed in the destruction of his Buran?
That would be a fair assumption, but it could have happened earlier-- but can only go by available "evidence." MU Lorca could have killed him, or he could have swapped universes, and we'll find "our" Lorca sometime this season.
And just to be clear, I am not a proponent that the Lorca we’ve seen is the MU Lorca. I do think it’s a possibility, but I haven’t really taken a position one way or another. I just wanted to point out that nothing the show has given us to this point confirms or denies the possibility.
As far as the quantum signature goes, that’s a good point but we saw in ep 10 that it can be masked/altered in order to prevent detection so there’s always the possibility that took place with Lorca (if he switched universes). He certainly appears to be more adept and active at that sort of thing than captains we’ve seen in the past (based on him essentially having his own private experimental lab.)
This gets a bit dizzying, but if MU Lorca jumped to our universe and that sent Prime Lorca to the MU, wouldn’t MU Lorca returning to the MU with the Prime DSC send Prime Lorca back to the Prime Universe. Ha ha, I need a drink now.
Why is it that you can't take part in these discussions without these insults? Again, Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM
I think at this point there's enough evidence to make it a strong possibility, but not a slam dunk. I really REALLY like the idea that the writers and producers are trying to misdirect audiences with vague clues, but so far all of the fan theories have proven true or are panning out.
As such, I have to believe at this point in Occam's razor, and that the obvious theory is true. I'm hoping I'm wrong (not because I want Lorca to be the real Lorca, but because I like the idea of well-executed misdirection in storytelling).
Yeah, visually, it's a bit different from the 1960ies - but thematically and character wise, it limes right up with TOS. IMO.
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Hm. Hadn't thought of that. Maybe you're right. Makes me wonder what the mirror discovery is up to in our universe, and if we'll see a glimpse of it, like we did in TOS.
Unless the Prime Lorca did die when the Prime Buran was destroyed.
Mirror Lurca could have been hiding out, but when he heard of the Destruction of the Buran and the possible death of the Prime Lorca he may have saw this as a chance to do something.
Those scars on his back might have been from living in the MU, though could also easily be from the Klingon torture. Him keeping a phaser under his pillow could also be from one or the other.
Well yes, that was the original assumption, and then we bandied about the alternatives.
But here's the thing: was Prime Lorca the kind of man who would kill his own crew to prevent their capture, or were those more in keeping with the behavior we'd expect from the Mirror Lorca? Meaning he replaced "our" Lorca earlier than we thought.
Or was that entire story a fabrication?
Or was that entire story a fabrication?
Prime Lorca could have died with the Buran and Mirror Lorca pretended to be him who survived.
Mirror Lorca may not have been involved with the destruction of the Prime Buran, he just took advantage of the situation.
No. DS9 established it's entirely possible to have someone go into the Mirror Universe while their double stays there (or vice versa in the case of Kira).
They did already establish the potential for it in disco too, but disco doesn't HAVE to stick with other trek established facts.
I never would've guessed that when I finally decided to join, my first post here would eventually be my two cents about a debate on the appearance of an actress. That being said, there was a point raised here about how having Tilly be dolled up for the MU undermines the notion of having normal, everyday people around, judging them by their personalities and actions, not their looks, because the instant she dons her captain's outfit, the narrative turns into the age-old 'nerd girls can clean up nicely too' trope instead.
I don't know if anybody else felt like this, but I took the scene where dresses up as her alter ego as a commentary on this, mainly based on how obviously uncomfortable she was the whole time. Granted, it came from the thought, which she was even discussing at the moment, of there existing another version of her who is apparently a bloodthirsty mass murderer. However, when she, with a tinge of sadness in her voice, remarked how her mother would be proud, I immediately thought of the scene where she first touched upon her childhood, namely how her mother never told her anything unless if she was criticizing her hair (and, I might add, possibly more).
I tend to psychoanalyze characters a lot, which may be good or bad (as I often create subtext where none exists, which might be the case here as well), but I couldn't help but think about her seeing herself in the mirror all dolled up, and having this sudden feeling of utter wrongness, maybe along the lines of 'This is not me. This is what mom wants me to look like.' I think it's quite obvious even without being stated that her mother used to criticize her appearance a lot and this quite surely took its toll on her self esteem. I think it's quite possible she had a flashback then and there of her mother telling her how girls are supposed to look pretty and perfect, how her hair is a mess and so on.
Again, I might be just reading more into this than I should, but I think it's certainly a good thing that it had, at the very least, me thinking on how the characters themselves might feel when they know they're being 'sexied up' for whatever in-universe reason.
I don't know if anybody else felt like this, but I took the scene where dresses up as her alter ego as a commentary on this, mainly based on how obviously uncomfortable she was the whole time. Granted, it came from the thought, which she was even discussing at the moment, of there existing another version of her who is apparently a bloodthirsty mass murderer. However, when she, with a tinge of sadness in her voice, remarked how her mother would be proud, I immediately thought of the scene where she first touched upon her childhood, namely how her mother never told her anything unless if she was criticizing her hair (and, I might add, possibly more).
I tend to psychoanalyze characters a lot, which may be good or bad (as I often create subtext where none exists, which might be the case here as well), but I couldn't help but think about her seeing herself in the mirror all dolled up, and having this sudden feeling of utter wrongness, maybe along the lines of 'This is not me. This is what mom wants me to look like.' I think it's quite obvious even without being stated that her mother used to criticize her appearance a lot and this quite surely took its toll on her self esteem. I think it's quite possible she had a flashback then and there of her mother telling her how girls are supposed to look pretty and perfect, how her hair is a mess and so on.
Again, I might be just reading more into this than I should, but I think it's certainly a good thing that it had, at the very least, me thinking on how the characters themselves might feel when they know they're being 'sexied up' for whatever in-universe reason.
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