USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Oh, nob off Trekyards. Can't stand those pair, especially the younger one.
They are the anal retentive, canon Nazi gatekeeper stereotype personified.
At this point, now that we've seen the Defiant and definitive connections to Enterprise, I think it's a matter of when, not if, we see the Enterprise. Certainly not this season, and probably not next season, but if it goes beyond that, they'd be hard pressed NOT to show it in some capacity.
It's the elephant in the room that has to eventually be acknowledged if the series runs 3+ seasons.
It's the elephant in the room that has to eventually be acknowledged if the series runs 3+ seasons.
Oh at this point, we are seeing one this season. They don't put that kinda thing in and not follow though.
Last I heard, this is accurate. I sure hope so. Originally I was told season 2, but maybe they changed some stuff around.
There is too much work in designing this stuff not to use it. I think with the demand to see it so high, they may have bumped it up.
Which I'm cool with and excited for, a disappointing visual reboot or not. At the end of the day, a TOS starship reappearing for the fans to enjoy is always a reason to celebrate and no matter my final opinion of the Defiant's appearance it'll still be a ship from the classic '60s series that got to appear on two others.
Except for the Enterprise herself no other TOS ship has had that honor.
Except for the Enterprise herself no other TOS ship has had that honor.
If the conflict we saw on ENT settled down at some point, reverse engineering the Defiant would be the smartest option.
Then the Empress would have ordered it put back together, so in the end, we get a different looking Defiant.
"one" means a constitution class, the Defiant, which has been modified in the 100 years since we saw it in Enterprise. Not a true constitution class, and not the actual Enterprise, which this thread is talking about.
I was referring to the Enterprise itself, and Captain Pike, Spock, Number One, etc.
100%, absolutely. they'd use it to smash their enemies, as it was advanced enough to be overpowering, but they'd study the shit out of it during and after that usage.
You don't have to take it apart like a set of Legos to understand it. And even if you DO remove many key systems and take them apart to figure them out, the spaceframe is unlikely to be one of those items you take apart. If the engineers can't put it together again without making it look different, they're shit engineers and will never be able to duplicate anything it can do.
There's been enough time that they should have a better understanding of it and are able to make tweaks/improvements to replica versions of the ship, but not sure there's much value in kitbashing the original. In fact, if you were able to duplicate the tech more or less, you'd make as many copies as you could and you'd MOTHBALL the original so you always have something to go back and study/check against if there were issues. Cutting it up to make it look kewl seems like a poor choice.
They'd only risk modifying it if they had COMPLETELY mastered the tech, improved upon it, and Defiant was essentially the crappier outdated ship at that point. Then you try and tweak it to bring her up to snuff. Don't think we've seen enough of the state of this universe to say that, but it would mean their tech is pretty terrifying if the Defiant was so outdated that they could afford to play with it.
My two cents...
That's fair, I guess. But were those after he became Mobile Doctor (meaning the sensors would be inside the badge on his chest, and switching to another set would be a headache) or before?
And that's why I think he would indeed use the viewscreens. Since he's designed as temp help, he won't have any "Call the Bridge" software installed. But after he evolves into a more humanlike part of the ship's complement, he will be motivated to use the already existing comms systems the way "other real people" use them, rather than self-install the missing software.
It's Asimov's old agade at work. Building humanoid robots means savings, because they can then use human tools and, if needed, be interchangeable with humans. Any sort of integration just means expenses, because it's always the wrong stuff you're integrating and you have to disintegrate it to get the right stuff plugged in (sometimes rather literally!).
Holograms are of course much more flexible than robots, but they, too, would come as pluggable modules rather than be integrated to the great computer wholeness of a starship. Anything else would court disaster (even though anything plugged in would always make some intrusions into the greater whole, often unintended, and mess things up).
So the doctor uses tools designed for humans, the way humans use them, both because that's efficient and because being human is desirable. Somehow, the medical sensor head has to make that pattern across Neelix' chest, and having a holographic arm move it across the chest in the form of a standard tricorder is superior to creating an all-new robotic arm with the sensor at the tip, say.
How does this relate to DSC? We have yet to see a hologram that would respond to its environs as if seeing with its own eyes, rather than as if the person being projected as a hologram were watching a hologram of the persons at "our" end. In either case, both the end locations must have multiple (or futuristic non-line-of-sight) cameras (or whatever) pointed at the actual people. And from the fact that we never see any cameras it follows that those can be expected to be basically everywhere...
Timo Saloniemi
As for the Defiant wireframe design we saw, it has mid-pylon kinks with pods in them. Now those are very much a "past" thing for Starfleet, as they are very prominent in the Shenzhou and less so in the supposedly less ancient guest ships, while absent from NCC-1031 let alone from post-Reliant designs.
It sort of follows that Starfleet would be within its rights to remove the outdated pods from the Defiant between the DSC era and the time of "The Tholian Web". Apparently, then, the Enterprise merely got dibs on that necessary refit, receiving her straight pylons in time for "The Cage" already.
Of course assuming she even had them in the first place. If there are only a dozen of her sort, then NCC-1764 might represent a significantly different production batch all along, not included in the dozen. (Although at the loss rates of TOS, "a dozen" at that time ought to indicate at least 64 back in the days of the creation of the class!)
Timo Saloniemi
It sort of follows that Starfleet would be within its rights to remove the outdated pods from the Defiant between the DSC era and the time of "The Tholian Web". Apparently, then, the Enterprise merely got dibs on that necessary refit, receiving her straight pylons in time for "The Cage" already.
Of course assuming she even had them in the first place. If there are only a dozen of her sort, then NCC-1764 might represent a significantly different production batch all along, not included in the dozen. (Although at the loss rates of TOS, "a dozen" at that time ought to indicate at least 64 back in the days of the creation of the class!)
Timo Saloniemi
Yeah, no not a complete disassembly. But with the advanced nature of the various components definitely some disassembly required.
And if anybody so much as scratched something, bam! In the Agony Booth™ they go.
I was personally under the impression that since the screen said USS-Defiant that they were not looking at the Klingon date but were bringing up their own computer schematics of the Defiant. Meaning that is not a picture of the Defiant in the MU but a picture of the Prime Universe Defiant.
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