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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

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LOL. Why are you trying to label Mary Wiseman's look as some ideal 'norm' for women... it really shouldn't be.
That's the equivalent of asking all men to look like Neelix (LOL), she's basically the female equivalent.

She's a goofy comedic relief character played by a goofy looking actress. Melissa McCarthy in space.

Nothing more, nothing less.

My bigger issue with this character is that she exists to begin with, and does not fit with the structure of the series, and that she's a 30 something year old Cadet....awkward.

Good grief, that is so ridiculous.

She is a pretty young lady, she looks nothing like Neelix. And while she is humorous at times, it is a needed contrast (IMHO) to the darker and more grim characters that are also in the show.

There's nothing wrong with them having some dark and grim characters as well -- it is personally part of what I find refreshing with Discovery. They don't have supermodels or a cast with Stepford wives uniformity in belief and personality. It is much more realistic in terms of the fact that in real life we tend to encounter a wide range of people who look different and have a wide range of beliefs and personalities.

IMHO it fits into the Trek theme set by TOS, that we need to have folks with the freedom to follow their dreams that have very different viewpoints from each other but understand that ultimately we should be tolerant of even viewpoints that we disagree with so long as they don't violate other people's safety or rights. That was the central part of the McCoy / Spock relationship. They fundamentally disagreed with each other and had opposite personalities, but they learned to put their differences aside to achieve common goals.

Tilly likewise provides a contrast with Burnham. Tilly is friendly and open, Burnham is cold and tends to be stand offish. Burnham is very confident of her ability, Tilly often has self-doubts and questions herself, and so on. They complement and help each other out in their own ways. That is what a real friendship is -- not forcing someone to become like you or just be a plaything to satisfy your wants, but helping them to succeed in what they want to be.
 
Good grief, that is so ridiculous.

She is a pretty young lady, she looks nothing like Neelix. And while she is humorous at times, it is a needed contrast (IMHO) to the darker and more grim characters that are also in the show.

There's nothing wrong with them having some dark and grim characters as well -- it is personally part of what I find refreshing with Discovery. They don't have supermodels or a cast with Stepford wives uniformity in belief and personality. It is much more realistic in terms of the fact that in real life we tend to encounter a wide range of people who look different and have a wide range of beliefs and personalities.

IMHO it fits into the Trek theme set by TOS, that we need to have folks with the freedom to follow their dreams that have very different viewpoints from each other but understand that ultimately we should be tolerant of even viewpoints that we disagree with so long as they don't violate other people's safety or rights. That was the central part of the McCoy / Spock relationship. They fundamentally disagreed with each other and had opposite personalities, but they learned to put their differences aside to achieve common goals.

Tilly likewise provides a contrast with Burnham. Tilly is friendly and open, Burnham is cold and tends to be stand offish. Burnham is very confident of her ability, Tilly often has self-doubts and questions herself, and so on. They complement and help each other out in their own ways. That is what a real friendship is -- not forcing someone to become like you or just be a plaything to satisfy your wants, but helping them to succeed in what they want to be.
Tilly's self-doubt is one of the reasons I adore her. She's clearly smart and capable, but it's getting her to believe it, that's the tricky part. She moves by her heart, and that opens her up to a lot of pain. In that, she is bold. ♥
 
I watched "After Trek," and they made it seem like maybe 3 episodes total, but they kept using the term "episode arc" rather than give a specific number, so it could be two.
Considering that the Klingon war supposedly isn't going to be carried over to S2, I'd imagine we'll need at least 1 or 2 eps back in the prime universe to wrap up the war arc.

I suppose it's possible that the war ends in the prime universe as a direct result of some chain of events in the MU, who knows.
 
To be brutally honest, I don't see how the Klingon War can be wrapped up so fast.

Unless it's 1) a ceasefire, or 2) Mirror Discovery unintentionally does all the dirty work for Starfleet, bringing the Empire to its knees, and the Federation takes advantage of it.

Or 3) the war is won off-screen, conventionally. A story possibility I like the least.
 
If I were to pick a character who seems incongruously average looking, I'd actually say it's Shazad Latif. Not that he's ugly by any means, but he's kind of gangly and the beard with the undefined neck does him no favors, which makes him a bit surprising to cast as the "romantic interest" for SMG's character.
 
We've seen pictures of the ISS Discovery dedication plaque on the bridge -- certainly not a minute detail they'd have changed on the USS Discovery stuck in the MU. So, I assume we'll see the actual ISS Discovery in the regular universe in coming weeks.

Edit to add: then again, would they change such a minor detail for the TV viewing audience?.... unless we actually get an up-close view of it.
In any case, great attention to detail by the production team. Something like that could have easily been overlooked I feel, unless there was a clear close-up or something.
 
To be brutally honest, I don't see how the Klingon War can be wrapped up so fast.

Unless it's 1) a ceasefire, or 2) Mirror Discovery unintentionally does all the dirty work for Starfleet, bringing the Empire to its knees, and the Federation takes advantage of it.

Or 3) the war is won off-screen, conventionally. A story possibility I like the least.

I'm starting to suspect that in the process of returning to its home universe, the Discovery will also go back in time, and prevent the Klingon War from ever occurring in the first place...

We've seen pictures of the ISS Discovery dedication plaque on the bridge -- certainly not a minute detail they'd have changed on the USS Discovery stuck in the MU.

Why not? The crew went through a fair amount of effort reconfiguring the interior of the ship. The dedication plaque would be just one more of these things that they changed.

(side note: Are there any legible, reasonably-high-resolution screengrabs of the ISS Discovery plaque?)
 
The Mirror Universe is as it's name described a different universe, and Timelines aren't congruent between universes.

What this means is that timeline wise stopping the Defiant from crossing over to the Mirror Universe in the Main Universe, wouldn't actually stop the Defiant from appearing in the Mirror Universe.

Think of the universe's timeline like a reel of film, you have one reel for the timeline of the Main Universe, and a completely separate reel for the timeline of the Mirror Universe.

Now the Main Universe's film reel has the Defiant disappear through an interphasic rift.

While the Mirror Universe's film feel has the Defiant appear through an interphasic rift.

Now you edit the Main Universe's film reel to remove the part where the Defiant disappeared through the interphasic rift. While this effects future events that occur in the Main Universe's film real it does not effect the Mirror Universe's film real, because they are separate film reels.

So the Defiant still appears in the Mirror Universe because that's what time in the Mirror Universe says happened, even if there is no longer any precipitating event in the Main Universe.
So, from what it appears you're saying here, it would really make no difference if the RU DSC crew went back and reported what happens to the Defiant, since no matter what, it is going to appear in the MU even if it doesn't go into the interphasic rift in the RU.

If I'v misinterpreted your posts, please explain how.
 
2) Mirror Discovery unintentionally does all the dirty work for Starfleet, bringing the Empire to its knees, and the Federation takes advantage of it.

Admiral Terrell: "Discovery, we need you to enter orbit around Krios Prime and do whatever is necessary to prevent it from being annexed by the Klingons."

ISS Discovery Captain: "You got it, chief."

12 hours later...

Admiral Terrell: "What the hell, Discovery?! You just glassed Krios Prime and killed off two thirds of their population! Billions are dead and it's an irradiated wasteland!"

ISS Discovery Captain: "Yep. Klingons won't want it now."
 
I still maintain Discovery won't go home at all. It's going to end up in some "almost correct" universe. The Federation will still exist, but things like ship design and uniforms will be a bit different. Oh, and the Klingons will have hair.

I can live with that. Sliders is one of my favorite shows from the '90s.
 
I still maintain Discovery won't go home at all. It's going to end up in some "almost correct" universe. The Federation will still exist, but things like ship design and uniforms will be a bit different. Oh, and the Klingons will have hair.
The Cage inspired uniforms would be nice too. But, I’ve accepted these ones. Still hate the boots though.
 
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