I just hope that the producers realise that redesigning a prop that appeared in couple of episodes and redesigning one of the most iconic space ships in the history of science fiction are a bit different things...
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Nope.
That first one is pretty much perfect, this is how I'd like to see it done. The second one is what I fear we will be getting...Because anyone with any sense would immediately know it's because the old shows were products of their decade, and not give it another thought. I started watching the new Doctor Who in 2013, but I still knew who the Cybermen were when I went back and looked at old episodes. Likewise, the Enterprise is not going to be a radical departure from TOS. It will still 75-80% look like the TOS Enterprise. Just some tweaks to bring it up to a modern look. Something along these lines is my guess...
Just because I think the Connie is great as it is doesn't mean I don't have any sense. And to the artists who made those, I praise them for their effort and hard work. But adding more greebles and taking away from it's sleek smooth design doesn't make it better or more realistic. No update for "Modern Audiences" will improve this design.Because anyone with any sense would immediately know it's because the old shows were products of their decade, and not give it another thought. I started watching the new Doctor Who in 2013, but I still knew who the Cybermen were when I went back and looked at old episodes. Likewise, the Enterprise is not going to be a radical departure from TOS. It will still 75-80% look like the TOS Enterprise. Just some tweaks to bring it up to a modern look. Something along these lines is my guess...
Yes it is, I'm looking at them side by side right now. I suggest you do the same.
I know what it is but if you want you can enlighten me on what you perceive it to be.
We all know what it is. An update of the look, just as TMP was. Canon has been left alone( as much as Trek even leaves its own canon online) but the visuals have been updated and "rebooted" to a modern standard. This is clear by a single look at any image of DSC.
All we saw was a wire-frame of a ship that the Terran Empire had in its possession for over 103+ years at the point the Discovery arrived. Anything could be valid: IE - It could be the final form of that particular ship after it had been in MU service; or it could be the 2017 version of a Constitution/Starship Class the current series producers signed off on -- but without/until further clarification EITHER supposition is valid.)
As every single person on the DSC group knew what it was at once and not "Hey is that a modified Constitution?". It was a ship they all knew at once.
“Different to your Starfleet commander, not to this battle station.”
I understand what you’re saying, I really do. I also hates the Kevin Enterprise when first saw it. I also don’t like Voyager like struts on the wireframe.
But from a production standpoint, updating a space suit, phaser or communicator isn’t that different from a space ship. Wither it be in the Smithsonian or no.
As I've stated before, I don't think the producers of DIS need to change any exterior elements of the Connie, but if they do, I'm sure they will be done tastefully. With the exception of more modern looking technology, they (the shows writers, producers, prop dept, etc...) have tried to be very respectful to the franchise and canon. I was blown away when they mentioned the Defiant being in the MU. That was a plot point of an obscure episode of ST:ENT that only fans would have known about (admit it... only the die hard fans, myself included, were watching ENT by S4... everyone else had given up one or two seasons earlier).
I think it shows that the creators of the show very much care for Star Trek and I believe whatever changes they may or may not do to the Constitution class will not change her overall classy appearance.
I think it shows that the creators of the show very much care for Star Trek and I believe whatever changes they may or may not do to the Constitution class will not change her overall classy appearance.
It wouldn't call that episode obscure.
If it helps just imagine every trek series takes place in its own reality, very similar in most cases but not exactly the same. Or maybe the TOS/TAS reality, the first four trek movies reality, Star trek V reality, TNG-DS9-VOY reality, ENT reality which may or may not all be an inaccurate telling from Riker's holoprogram collection, STO-verse, The Kelvinverse and DSC.
You're forgetting; the Defiant ended up becoming Empress Sato's vessel -- or so we are led to believe. It would make perfect sense in the context of the mirror universe that the Empress' or Emperor's personal flagship have more teeth than the rest of the fleet.
Just because I think the Connie is great as it is doesn't mean I don't have any sense. And to the artists who made those, I praise them for their effort and hard work. But adding more greebles and taking away from it's sleek smooth design doesn't make it better or more realistic. No update for "Modern Audiences" will improve this design.
I'm not saying it will be improved, just be brought up to a 2018 aesthetic.
Just because I think the Connie is great as it is doesn't mean I don't have any sense. And to the artists who made those, I praise them for their effort and hard work. But adding more greebles and taking away from it's sleek smooth design doesn't make it better or more realistic. No update for "Modern Audiences" will improve this design.
Thatlooks older than the NX, much less the walker, which in setting is older than the connie. It just no longer fits.
TMP was a sequel that came after the events of TOS. They gave a reasonable explanation why the Enterprise looks different. It's not the same thing. That's an easier pill to swallow than a prequel that looks more advance than the show it's supposed to be a prequel to and we're just told to deal with it. I know it's not 1966 anymore. And I'm not asking for it to be 1966 anymore. All I ask for is a little consistancy. The exterior of the connie is fine. Yeah the interior looks cheap because back in 1966 it was made with cheap materials. Should they ever update the interior and it looks like this.
Then I would be okay with it because that's an update done right that doesn't completely change what is established. Now I don't mind what the Defiant looks like in Episode 10 because I know what happened to it. And that's an update I can understand because it's been in the MU for 100+ years. Now if and when the Discovery returns to the right universe and the constitution looks like the MU Defiant, I at least hope the Saucer is smooth without those 2 bevels. I'm fine with the pylons as they are mostly unchanged. I'm not a huge stickler of this kind of thing but as someone who suffers from OCD it is a bit annoying and I understand it. I might not always agree to it but some things I can be more open to than others.
Geez, just how the heck long was Riker in the Holodeck for?
No it doesn't.
holo-addiction can wreck an officer's career. I bet he gave Broccoli his first hit.
TMP was a sequel that came after the events of TOS. They gave a reasonable explanation why the Enterprise looks different. It's not the same thing. That's an easier pill to swallow than a prequel that looks more advance than the show it's supposed to be a prequel to and we're just told to deal with it. I know it's not 1966 anymore. And I'm not asking for it to be 1966 anymore. All I ask for is a little consistancy. The exterior of the connie is fine. Yeah the interior looks cheap because back in 1966 it was made with cheap materials. Should they ever update the interior and it looks like this.
Then I would be okay with it because that's an update done right that doesn't completely change what is established. Now I don't mind what the Defiant looks like in Episode 10 because I know what happened to it. And that's an update I can understand because it's been in the MU for 100+ years. Now if and when the Discovery returns to the right universe and the constitution looks like the MU Defiant, I at least hope the Saucer is smooth without those 2 bevels. I'm fine with the pylons as they are mostly unchanged. I'm not a huge stickler of this kind of thing but as someone who suffers from OCD it is a bit annoying and I understand it. I might not always agree to it but some things I can be more open to than others.
You know TOS was cancelled in part because it was so bloody expensive right? NBC has two expensive shows in Star Trek and Mission: Impossible and chose the latter.
TOS, while having to be creative with its budget, was not a “cheap” show at its time.
Also, one further point: as established in the episode, the information comes from an ALIEN database, so, I don't think we can take that as gospel.
For example, Voyager's "Living Witness" from season four shows an alien civilization's depiction of Voyager as a warship and gets the design and behavior of the crew all wrong.
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Design wise, year it does, in every way. Its primitive looking and simplistic. It looks older design wise as it is.
TMP was a sequel that came after the events of TOS. They gave a reasonable explanation why the Enterprise looks different. It's not the same thing. That's an easier pill to swallow than a prequel that looks more advance than the show it's supposed to be a prequel to and we're just told to deal with it. I know it's not 1966 anymore. And I'm not asking for it to be 1966 anymore. All I ask for is a little consistancy. The exterior of the connie is fine. Yeah the interior looks cheap because back in 1966 it was made with cheap materials. Should they ever update the interior and it looks like this.
Then I would be okay with it because that's an update done right that doesn't completely change what is established. Now I don't mind what the Defiant looks like in Episode 10 because I know what happened to it. And that's an update I can understand because it's been in the MU for 100+ years. Now if and when the Discovery returns to the right universe and the constitution looks like the MU Defiant, I at least hope the Saucer is smooth without those 2 bevels. I'm fine with the pylons as they are mostly unchanged. I'm not a huge stickler of this kind of thing but as someone who suffers from OCD it is a bit annoying and I understand it. I might not always agree to it but some things I can be more open to than others.
Dude it was a total visual reboot, in every single way, only humans and Vulcan did not get remade, like what 4 years after TOS. Every single aspect got remade. DSC is a visual reboot, acting like it is not will not change reality
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