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Jennifer Lien in trouble again?

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God this is depressing. I never cared for the character Kes, but Lein voiced one of my favorite Disney characters (the adult Vitani in "Simba's Pride"), and in any case, I know people--close friends--with bipolar and other such disorders that constantly get them in trouble. It's maybe not so bad for some of the ones I know because they don't have a giant spotlight on them when it happens.
 
I'm wondering about this too. In my country, it would be considered a matter of privacy to protect the identity of offenders in many such cases, and there are rules in place to secure that. I can only speculate that in the U.S. this would have to do with that the role of the government is probably seen in a more minimalistic and less "protective" way, and that freedom and availability of information is regarded higher than privacy issues. Then again, I might easily be wrong.
We live in a voyeur's nation, where people want to know everything about you, especially what sins they can judge you by, having never met you. It's a shameful part of our "justice" system.
 
We live in a voyeur's nation, where people want to know everything about you, especially what sins they can judge you by, having never met you. It's a shameful part of our "justice" system.

No need to be so cynical. Sometimes people genuinely care for people and actually pray or try to help them them if they are in trouble. That's the world I believe in.
 
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No need to be so cynical. Sometimes people genuinely care for people and actually pray or try to help them them if they are in trouble. That's the world I l
It is true, though. People are entertained by others misfortunes. People also like to judge others based on their past history. Add in a legal system with a media arm that loves to publicize everything, and you've got a winning combination. Plus, it makes prosecutors look tough on crime. I say these things because that is what has become of our nation. We're hard nosed, and hard hearted. They revel in this kind of spectacle.
 
It is true, though. People are entertained by others misfortunes. People also like to judge others based on their past history. Add in a legal system with a media arm that loves to publicize everything, and you've got a winning combination. Plus, it makes prosecutors look tough on crime. I say these things because that is what has become of our nation. We're hard nosed, and hard hearted. They revel in this kind of spectacle.
Except that court documents have been considered public records for a very long time. Certainly before the U.S. would have been considered a "voyeur's nation."
 
Except that court documents have been considered public records for a very long time. Certainly before the U.S. would have been considered a "voyeur's nation."
Court documents, yes, but now they get spread all over the internet, on social media, on television. If you're arrested in Detroit, Michigan for stealing a $100 out of an ATM, they know about it in Bakersfield, California. People can comment about it on Facebook, and don't think the news doesn't toss it right up on their program, because they do. It's an infotainment culture, and rehabilitation is nigh on impossible because your past will forever follow you in every media form there is, because the internet never forgets.
 
Court documents, yes, but now they get spread all over the internet, on social media, on television. If you're arrested in Detroit, Michigan for stealing a $100 out of an ATM, they know about it in Bakersfield, California. People can comment about it on Facebook, and don't think the news doesn't toss it right up on their program, because they do. It's an infotainment culture, and rehabilitation is nigh on impossible because your past will forever follow you in every media form there is, because the internet never forgets.
I have to disagree about rehabilitation being impossible because of court documents, Internet, Facebook and such.

It can also work the other way.

Let's look at two beloved rock stars: Keith Richards and Eric Clapton who made the headlines in a very bad way once upon a time.

Both of them managed to kick their habits and today they are even more loved by their fans than before.

Why? Because they managed to kick their habits and survive which have made them even more popular. Today they are loved not only for being great musicians but also for their strength when it came to overcome a serious drug habit.

There are more celebrities who have done the same thing and they are also loved for managing to get their life in order and in some cases start a new career depite the negative publicity they once had.
 
I have to disagree about rehabilitation being impossible because of court documents, Internet, Facebook and such.

It can also work the other way.

Let's look at two beloved rock stars: Keith Richards and Eric Clapton who made the headlines in a very bad way once upon a time.

Both of them managed to kick their habits and today they are even more loved by their fans than before.

Why? Because they managed to kick their habits and survive which have made them even more popular. Today they are loved not only for being great musicians but also for their strength when it came to overcome a serious drug habit.

There are more celebrities who have done the same thing and they are also loved for managing to get their life in order and in some cases start a new career depite the negative publicity they once had.
Because they have a talent. Celebrities are in a different class because they have a talent, or they have something which appeals to the population at large. Look at drug incarcerations in the United States compared to how many stories you hear out of Hollywood involving celebrities and drugs, and how they get the rehab they need while Joe Schmoe gets tossed in a jail cell with a $10,000 bond he can't afford to pay. That goes on his record, and stays on his record when he applies for a job, seeks financial assistance, and so on. In Hollywood, that just gets added to the story, and an actor can still make bank even after the worst of offenses.
 
Because they have a talent. Celebrities are in a different class because they have a talent, or they have something which appeals to the population at large. Look at drug incarcerations in the United States compared to how many stories you hear out of Hollywood involving celebrities and drugs, and how they get the rehab they need while Joe Schmoe gets tossed in a jail cell with a $10,000 bond he can't afford to pay. That goes on his record, and stays on his record when he applies for a job, seeks financial assistance, and so on. In Hollywood, that just gets added to the story, and an actor can still make bank even after the worst of offenses.

In that I can agree.

My mistake, I thought we were only discussing celebrities here. I can understand that it's much more difficult for the "average Joe" or "average Jane" to get his or her life back together.

I apologize for my misunderstanding.
 
In that I can agree.

My mistake, I thought we were only discussing celebrities here. I can understand that it's much more difficult for the "average Joe" or "average Jane" to get his or her life back together.

I apologize for my misunderstanding.
It's alright, I tend to post something and forget to add the larger context, because it was in my head, I just didn't transfer it to written form.
 
It's alright, I tend to post something and forget to add the larger context, because it was in my head, I just didn't transfer it to written form.
In this case it was actually me who just read the last post and not those before that, therefore my assumption that it was all about celebrities.

I must also add that not all celebrities manage to get their life in order. Keith Richards and Eric Clapton are among the lucky few.

I have a lot of rock biographies (including those of Richards and Clapton, both very good) and there are many sad cases to read about in some of those books. :weep:
 
The Internet and more specifically social media have not been kind to those willing to change their life around and make a fresh start. As in the example above a small misdemeanor offense for say public intoxication now stays with you forever. Everything you have ever done is immortalized and easily Google searchable. Our media thrives on making people's lives miserable it seems. What was once only seen in a local paper now makes CNN or FOX.com. Almost all court proceedings are public record, of course, but it seemed that before our technological age most people didn't care and Jen Lien picking up a DUI would have barely made the police blotter in the local rag.
 
It seems since she left Voyager she's just gone down hill. Maybe she wouldn't have gone down the same path that she did if she continued.

Nah it was inevitable.

I love jen but she has issues that long predate voyager.

I hope she gets the help she needs.
 
This is a Voyager forum on a Star Trek-related website so information on actors and what they're up to (good or bad) is going to find its way here, if for nothing more than to post condolences and positive messages in support of someone fans grew to love. Nothing wrong with some more good vibrations in the cosmos.
 
Almost all court proceedings are public record, of course, but it seemed that before our technological age most people didn't care and Jen Lien picking up a DUI would have barely made the police blotter in the local rag.
Yes, you are correct. Before a majority of such information was online, you would have to go to a specific court and have copies made of documents yourself, which made it too time consuming and tedious to do it unless it was necessary for some reason.
 
Assault and DUI. Well now that's a different kettle of fish than the neighbor's he-said, she-said in her last case. She chose to break the law - in an clearly codified, measurable way - with responsibility placed squarely on her own shoulders - and now that crime is a matter of public record. That was her choice all along, no one else can be put on trial for her choice. Yet some apparently like spreading the blame around. Why - does that help the medicine go down smoother?

I guess some people don't understand how democracy works, nor informed discussion of current events. Her celebrity makes her a current event - especially in a fan forum that has also happened to fund her work. I bet if she or someone like her drunkenly crashed her car into your family you would want people talking about it.

Furthermore, leave the thread yourselves or spare us the holier-than-thou routine. If you would avoid public discussion, don't do criminal shit.
 
Assault and DUI. Well now that's a different kettle of fish than the neighbor's he-said, she-said in her last case. She chose to break the law - in an clearly codified, measurable way - with responsibility placed squarely on her own shoulders - and now that crime is a matter of public record. That was her choice all along, no one else can be put on trial for her choice. Yet some apparently like spreading the blame around. Why - does that help the medicine go down smoother?

I guess some people don't understand how democracy works, nor informed discussion of current events. Her celebrity makes her a current event - especially in a fan forum that has also happened to fund her work. I bet if she or someone like her drunkenly crashed her car into your family you would want people talking about it.

Furthermore, leave the thread yourselves or spare us the holier-than-thou routine. If you would avoid public discussion, don't do criminal shit.
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