Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[GeekUSACarl]

I got an Xbox One as a Christmas gift a few years ago, and while I appreciate it (as I do all of my gifts), it turns out all of the games I like to play? PS4.

I literally switched because there was zero chatter about bridge crew ever changing to non-vr and I wanted to get a halo fix.

But god dayum had I friggin known....

 

[Amaris]

As much as I like Mirror episodes the concept of a Terran empire is laughable, yeah humans subjugate stronger, more advanced than ourselves Andorians, Klingons, Vulcans and telepathic Betazoids in the 22nd century. They must have drugged them with heroin or something. A mirror universe controlled by feral Vulcans makes more sense.

I don't know, when backed into a corner, or made to fear the Other, humans are nothing less than harrowingly brutal. Also, the spellcheck on my browser just suggested I change "harrowingly" to "charmingly."

So, you know, let the AI uprising begin.

I literally switched because there was zero chatter about bridge crew ever changing to non-vr and I wanted to get a halo fix.

But god dayum had I friggin known....

See, I have the Halo Master Chief collection, but I don't play it. I'm not into first person shooters. I like RPGs, puzzles, and fun little colorful games. The XBox, as awesome as it is, was *made* for FPS and action that I don't really seek out. The last FPS I actually enjoyed was Rise of the Triad for the PC.

Edit: Oh wait, I also liked Battlefield: 1942, but that's about it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Like I told friends who had a PS4 before Microsoft released the Xbox One. Your PS4 may be able to play Blurays but my 360 can play Halo games.

Checkmate.

 

[dahj]

As much as I like Mirror episodes the concept of a Terran empire is laughable, yeah humans subjugate stronger, more advanced than ourselves Andorians, Klingons, Vulcans and telepathic Betazoids in the 22nd century.

Are you questioning the might of the Empire?!
TO THE AGONY BOOTH!

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Like I told friends who had a PS4 before Microsoft released the Xbox One. Your PS4 may be able to play Blurays but my 360 can play Halo games.

Checkmate.

I am very very happy with the halo games but Id be extra super duper happy tryin out bridge crew.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Terran Empire became an interstellar power when postwar survivors overpowered a Vulcan crew and took their ship during First Contact in Montana. They used that ship and technology and raw, brute power to bring a warp society to its knees and conquer it within a handful of years. If that doesn't tell the rest of the galaxy that humans are trouble I don't know what would.

 

[dahj]

If that doesn't tell the rest of the galaxy that humans are trouble I don't know what would.

The canon arguments on TrekBBS.

 

[cooleddie74]

That tells the rest of the galaxy that humans should be eliminated.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I think so far this is the best handling of the "mirror" verse. Its more serious, well I can take it more seroously, and this underying idea that lorca was already from there makes it so much more intriguing.

 

[Nyotarules]

The Terran Empire became an interstellar power when postwar survivors overpowered a Vulcan crew and took their ship during First Contact in Montana. They used that ship and technology and raw, brute power to bring a warp society to its knees and conquer it within a handful of years. If that doesn't tell the rest of the galaxy that humans are trouble I don't know what would.

Yeah still laughable.
Read this - In 1692 The Native Americans (after their own civil war that lasted say ten years) boarded Columbus ship and sailed to Europe and founded a global empire that lasted 400 years using just slings and arrows and the guns found on Columbus ship.
That's what the real universe, historical equivalent of a Terran Mirror empire is.
I know, I know suspend belief NR, suspend belief!

In universe - the Vulcans would have blown them out of the sky! And so would the Andorians!
They would have received a Vulcan hello

 

[Balok's Decoy]

I think so far this is the best handling of the "mirror" verse. Its more serious, well I can take it more seroously, and this underying idea that lorca was already from there makes it so much more intriguing.

I think I still give it to the DS9 Mirror episodes, but DSC did an outstanding job with it last night.

 

[Long Syntax]

Yeah, Game of Thrones never recovered from killing off Ned Stark.


It's the inevitable result of legalized marijuana.

I'm disappointed so many seem to want a Game of Thrones style series molded into the modern ST. There's enough uniqueness in the ST universe that can be leveraged to make a successful series without adopting another series formula for success. However, for those that insist the only way to make a successful series today is to employ the Game of Thrones formula, you'll have to deal with everyone being expendable at any moment - including your favorites.

 

[Danlav05]

I've seen the whole series and I admit that I was a bit Discovery-skeptic but I LOVED LOVED LOVED this episode!!

Really enjoyed it, cannot wait for next week.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There should still be someone in there guarding the Klingon prisoner. Leaving people alone in cells restrained is a great way to get a death in custody, plus the opportunity afforded her to converse with anyone she wants and potentially escape.

Are you saying shows and films where the hero tells the guy guarding the prisoner to "take a break" aren't accurate???

How would you know?. Work as a writer for STD do you?

Do you?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I'm disappointed so many seem to want a Game of Thrones style series molded into the modern ST. There's enough uniqueness in the ST universe that can be leveraged to make a successful series without adopting another series formula for success. However, for those that insist the only way to make a successful series today is to employ the Game of Thrones formula, you'll have to deal with everyone being expendable at any moment - including your favorites.

I binged the whole thing in like, a month cause we had to do a podcast on it and I'd never seem it. And though I did enjoy it, I don't think I could handle trek bein anything like it....

I mean.... too much incest, rape, incest, torture, incest, and death of key characters.
Just too hard a show to hold onto. Compelling sci fi doesn't have time for all that.

 

[eschaton]

I think so far this is the best handling of the "mirror" verse. Its more serious, well I can take it more seroously, and this underying idea that lorca was already from there makes it so much more intriguing.

See, the problem is I don't think the Terran Empire as a concept holds up well to scrutiny. Any social system which allowed you to openly murder your way to the top would not be stable over a period of generations. An emperor would rise to the top who decided the system risked his life (and setting up his children for the good life as well) and would try and tame it into a still horrifying, but less chaotic system. Not to mention the butterfly effect. If people die on Terran Empire ships as frequently as the Mirror Universe suggests, there is no way that we should still have doppelgangers bouncing around by the 24th century.

It basically only works as a campy joke, IMHO. But I'm willing to give this arc the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Nyotarules]

See, the problem is I don't think the Terran Empire as a concept holds up well to scrutiny. Any social system which allowed you to openly murder your way to the top would not be stable over a period of generations. An emperor would rise to the top who decided the system risked his life (and setting up his children for the good life as well) and would try and tame it into a still horrifying, but less chaotic system. Not to mention the butterfly effect. If people die on Terran Empire ships as frequently as the Mirror Universe suggests, there is no way that we should still have doppelgangers bouncing around by the 24th century.

It basically only works as a campy joke, IMHO. But I'm willing to give this arc the benefit of the doubt.

I am sitting back, enjoying the ride and rolling my eyes at the same time. To me even the the idea of a Terran empire in the Star Trek universe is a joke.
(Suspend belief NR, suspend belief)

Dear Writers - please give Stamets the line - 'A Terran Empire? 22nd century Humans overpowered the Vulcans and did not get a Vulcan hello'? This is a bad joke right?'

 

[Balok's Decoy]

I am sitting back, enjoying the ride and rolling my eyes at the same time. To me even the the idea of a Terran empire in the Star Trek universe is a joke.
(Suspend belief NR, suspend belief)

I've always taken the MU episodes as being very tongue-in-cheek. That's kind of what I love about them. They're a fun, outrageous diversion.

 

[Long Syntax]

See, the problem is I don't think the Terran Empire as a concept holds up well to scrutiny. Any social system which allowed you to openly murder your way to the top would not be stable over a period of generations. An emperor would rise to the top who decided the system risked his life (and setting up his children for the good life as well) and would try and tame it into a still horrifying, but less chaotic system. Not to mention the butterfly effect. If people die on Terran Empire ships as frequently as the Mirror Universe suggests, there is no way that we should still have doppelgangers bouncing around by the 24th century.

It basically only works as a campy joke, IMHO. But I'm willing to give this arc the benefit of the doubt.

It is a flawed story telling mechanism, agreed. This might be part of the reason I dislike MU episodes - the other being I feel like it's gong to the well too many times.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah still laughable.
Read this - In 1692 The Native Americans (after their own civil war that lasted say ten years) boarded Columbus ship and sailed to Europe and founded a global empire that lasted 400 years using just slings and arrows and the guns found on Columbus ship.
That's what the real universe, historical equivalent of a Terran Mirror empire is.
I know, I know suspend belief NR, suspend belief!

In universe - the Vulcans would have blown them out of the sky! And so would the Andorians!
They would have received a Vulcan hello

But...but shotgun. And Mirror Maximillian Forrest.