USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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What if it started out that way but then was refitted for the war?
The image is from the Mirror Universe. Taken from intelligence found on a ship of Rebels against the Terran Empire. It has nothing to do with how currently a Constitution Class ship looks in the main universe. I doubt rebels would have a 100 year old image of what the Defiant first looked like when it arrived either.
Ding ding. Winner.
To me this is just a visual reboot, most of us knew this was coming.
Nothing said it was still in service, just it was on record. What we are looking at is a redesign. We all knew this was coming and it does fit with the ships we have seen.
Hoshi's Defiant may not be in active service 100 years later, but it probably was in use for some time, as there would have been nothing capable of matching its performance for decades.
I don't remember whether it was renamed ISS Defiant in ENT or not. I might rewatch tat.
It looks like the Terran Empire probably had a few technological breakthroughs from windfalls.. after Cochrane's flight, they stole the T'Plana Hath and probably reversed engineered it. A few decades later their version of SS Emmett is bombing a moon somewhere. Then a few decades later Defiant falls in their lap.
An alternate universe version of NX-01 was kept running for generations in hostile territory, and looked somewhat different by the time the original NX-01 found it. (which yes, was a copy of a Voyager episode where essentially the same thing happned.. Intrepid with various bits attached etc). Its not improbable, story-wise with upgrades Defiant would still be in use. At the very least it was Empress Sato's "don't shoot me in the back" insurance for however long she reigned. It could have been upgraded over time.
There was zero reason and need to upgrade it. The Discovery is just like 10 to 14 years newer. Up into recently they had no need to upgrade it. No, I think we are seeing a redesign and some folks do not want to accept this. We have known it was coming since day 1.
That image wasn't a Mirror Universe altered version of the Constituiton-class. Discovery's crew knew exactly what it was, were confused by it not being where it was meant to be, and made zero mention of it looking any different. That's how it looks, and people really need to accept that.
I thought it was a fun way of introducing the redesign, actually.
I thought it was a fun way of introducing the redesign, actually.
I would think the Terran Empire would need to rebuild the ship over the course of the century as things wore out that they couldn't replace, or parts that were damaged in battle replaced with parts they could manufacture during their age, prior to fully reverse engineering the Federation's Constitution-class starship. Plus the Empire would probably attempt to add more weapons and other stuff they took over time. If for no other reason but to make sure the Emperor's ship was superior to all potential rivals, meaning that any Imperial Constitution-class ships would be (or should be) inferior to the USS Defiant, until roughly the time of Captain Kirk, and even then, Imperial ship USS Defiant might have more weapons than the likes of ISS Enterprise
Once more, as Blood pointed out this was not what we saw. The Crew saw a current Constitution class starship, not a modified one. They had zero issue with how it looked, this to them as a current Federation Constitution class ship.
CBS better hope so if they don't want a riot on their hands.
I don’t know what happened with the Defiant graphic artwork in this episode, but the DSC Connie will not look like this. Redesigned, yes, but that graphic ain’t it.
At least it does not look like a D7We have our first look at the updated Constitution Class:
I'm not a fan. I do not like those bent pylons. The rest of it is pretty traditional.
I can't help but wonder why Terran Empire ships are not more technologically advanced then their prime universe counterparts as seen in DISCO and TOS. If they had access to the Defiant (an advanced ship from the future) since the ENT era, then should they not be more technologically advanced, or am I missing something?
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It shouldn't be a redesign. Just do what ENT did to the Defiant to give the ship more surface detail and dynamic movements in flight and in combat. The only reason for a visual reboot just 12 years after the fantastic reimagining in "IaMD" is one of two things: territoriality by the new producers and ignoring one of the most iconic and beautiful spacecraft designs in the history of science fiction in favor of their own, or sheer laziness to pander to the "oooooh, look how much cooler it is now" crowd.
There's no sensible excuse, just the two I provided. Like a visual reboot if you want, but it won't go over well and for valid in-universe and aesthetic reasons.
Considering this is the first Connie we've seen in DIS, I'm going to assume that the Defiant looks that way due to 100 years of modification and repair. And I'm sticking with that until we see a non Mirror Universe Connie. And to reiterate, It's my personal guess. I'm not saying my guess is correct or will be correct. It's just that a guess. If we see a prime Connie and it looks the same then I'll accept it as a visual reboot. Fortunately it's not that radical of a redesign but I do hate the bevels of the Saucer. I'm guessing the MU example of that will be torpedo launchers or advanced weapons bays. I can't stress this enough. It's just a guess. 
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