so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...

[cooleddie74]

If the spore drive is retired or otherwise classified Barclay wouldn't know about it.

Just like Starfleet crews of the 23rd and 24th centuries don't seem to have any knowledge of the conditions inside the old Delphic Expanse or the details of the NX-01's mission to find the Xindi weapon. The hearing where Archer briefed Admiral Forrest, Soval and others on the mission in the Expanse was ended with the testimony and data being classified and not for general consumption by the public or even other Starfleet officers or Vulcans.

Romulan cloaking technology of the mid-22nd century may fall into a similar category, as over a century later Kirk, Spock and the officers aboard the Enterprise don't seem to know what a cloak is or at the very least are baffled that the Romulans can now make some of their ships invisible. Historical records from the Earth-Romulan War appear to have been sanitized to an extent due to wartime censorship and security concerns. It seems that the Discovery's spore hub drive isn't the only thing featured in a prequel series that will be classified or forgotten by the time TOS rolls around.

 

[Tuskin38]

Did they? Where?

In numerous interviews before the show came out

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

https://www.inverse.com/article/37357-star-trek-discovery-canon-changes-tos-tng

From the above article:

“We are canon,” Kurtzman said during New York Comic Con on October 8. “You’ll have to be patient with us.” He suggested that, eventually, Discovery will reconcile certain differences between the year 2255 of Lorca and Burnham and 2264 of Kirk and Spock. Apparently, quite a lot can happen in just 10 years.
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So it sounds to me that the reason that the spore drive does not seem to exist in later time periods of the show eventually will be explain, but (as Kurtzman says) people need to be patient.

 

[Takeru]

"Certain differences", not all of them. The show will obviously not have a 60s aesthetic at the end.

 

[Satron]

"Certain differences", not all of them. The show will obviously not have a 60s aesthetic at the end.

That much is certain.

 

[Vger23]

https://www.inverse.com/article/37357-star-trek-discovery-canon-changes-tos-tng

From the above article:

“We are canon,” Kurtzman said during New York Comic Con on October 8. “You’ll have to be patient with us.” He suggested that, eventually, Discovery will reconcile certain differences between the year 2255 of Lorca and Burnham and 2264 of Kirk and Spock. Apparently, quite a lot can happen in just 10 years.
​

So it sounds to me that the reason that the spore drive does not seem to exist in later time periods of the show eventually will be explain, but (as Kurtzman says) people need to be patient.

Unfortunately patience is not the hallmark of the modern Trek fan.

 

[starsuperion]

Well honestly, if you look at the tech in TOS, it may look simple and dated to some, but given the functionality, it's look as solid and strong, it's durability whether in the Constitution class, or outposts, it's got a lot of heartiness to it. Imagine Discovery's bridge suffering the kinds of damages the TOS Enterprise went thru. Comparatively, simplistic design, and simplistic tech means stout and functional control systems that can withstand a pounding, if anything the TOS Enterprise is solid like a Tank! Starfleet tech may have matured to be less flashy, more hearty considering the Klingon and Romulan threats.

It's the difference between a tough laptop and an ipad, one looks strong, has the same basic tech, the other looks breakable and in need of constant protection.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

"Certain differences", not all of them. The show will obviously not have a 60s aesthetic at the end.

@Helder of Romulus asked specifically where they said it's not set in an alternate universe/timeline.

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10:40 is where the line of questions and answers begins regarding the show being set in the same "original" timeline/universe as the other shows, the Discovery being ahead of the Constitution Class technologically, and how they are "wildly aware of everything that appears to be a deviation from canon" and "will close out each of those issues" before hitting the period of TOS.

Of course, none of that means they won't visit a parallel universe or an alternate timeline or whatever. Indeed, it seems to be fairly clear that they will.

And no, it doesn't mean they're going to go back to using 1960s-quality props, sets, visual effects, etc., either. One might expect subtle changes to bring the aesthetics more in line with each other, akin to what ENT did with its sets in its fourth season. That would seem to fit with what Timothy Peel said about the color schemes of the computer displays slowly advancing as they move toward TOS. But there really shouldn't be too much tweaking to look overly more TOS-y aboard Discovery herself, because her aesthetics overall are already more like TMP, which again makes perfect sense because she is supposed to be a more advanced ship than the original series Enterprise. No reason to regress on that front. Uniforms a bit more like those in "The Cage"/TOS would be an obvious thing to introduce at some point, though. Or at least show other variants, whether on Discovery or elsewhere, to reinforce the idea that SF doesn't only use one type within a given period. (We already know that from other shows, but a visual reminder wouldn't go amiss.)

-MMoM

 

[CaptainMurdock]

As far as aesthetics go, I just want the Gold, Red and Blue uniforms back. The props are perfect. They look like 60's era props. I never had a problem with Discovery's interior. It looks fine for that era. In fact this screenshot reminds me of Discovery's corridors.

And maybe if Discovery gets severely damaged at one point they can give it rounded nacelles. but other than that, I'm fine with it's production design. I just want the uniforms to have the classic Gold, Red and Blue look.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

"Certain differences", not all of them. The show will obviously not have a 60s aesthetic at the end.

Yes. My thinking is that it is more about how the spore drive idea will be reconciled with TOS, but not so much reconciling the look of the Discovery with the 1960's look of toggle switches and analog chronometer.

I think the presence of the spore drive was the main item that Kurztman was referencing in that article I posted (his comments at NYC Comic Con).

 

[Vger23]

Yes. My thinking is that it is more about how the spore drive idea will be reconciled with TOS, but not so much reconciling the look of the Discovery with the 1960's look of toggle switches and analog chronometer.

I think the presence of the spore drive was the main item that Kurztman was referencing in that article I posted (his comments at NYC Comic Con).

That would be my guess as well. As well as perhaps filling in the gap of the Klingon War which really hadn't been explicitly discussed. I have a feeling the producers figured the fans would be smart enough to understand the production design / aesthetics elements kind of speak for themselves.

We know that might have been an over-estimation...but that's my guess.

 

[Tuskin38]

and analog chronometer.

That was already retconned away with TOS Remastered

Discovery still has switches and stuff placed around the touch screens.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes. My thinking is that it is more about how the spore drive idea will be reconciled with TOS, but not so much reconciling the look of the Discovery with the 1960's look of toggle switches and analog chronometer.

I think the presence of the spore drive was the main item that Kurztman was referencing in that article I posted (his comments at NYC Comic Con).

Well, the analog chronometer has already been retconned out of TOS in the Remastered episodes. Now whenever the chronometer at the helm and navigation consoles is shown in closeup it's a smooth digital clock that while retaining something of a '60s-style font is now a fully digital display with computerized numbers that tick by. That analog display with rolling cylinders was dumped from the series a decade ago and is now seen in only the original, unaltered versions of those episodes.

 

[cooleddie74]

Discovery still has switches and stuff placed around the touch screens.

And in some cases big, bulky ones, including large silver rotating knobs and bulky switches that would look archaic even on the TOS bridge. Say what one wants about the design aesthetic of the original 1960s bridge and ship, but blinky gumdrop-like buttons that make electronic beeps and chirps when pressed still seem more sophisticated and exotic than a row of silver metal switches and knobs. TOS may have been shot with Sixties technology but you can see how many of the interfaces would still be advanced in-universe even by DSC's standards.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

That was already retconned away with TOS Remastered

Discovery still has switches and stuff placed around the touch screens.

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[Jackson_Roykirk]

That was already retconned away with TOS Remastered.

Yeah, and Greedo shot first.

 

[Satron]

Yeah, and Greedo shot first.

Now swords are drawn.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, and Greedo shot first.

Yes he did.

You may not like it, but it's canon.

Well the Greedo one, not sure about TOS-R.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes he did.

You may not like it, but it's canon.

Well the Greedo one, not sure about TOS-R.

Actually, they shot at the same time

 

[Tuskin38]

Actually, they shot at the same time

Ther’s Like a millisecond difference. Close enough that it isn’t self Defense though, unless Han has the force