How is that different from the ways in which the Prequels and The Clone Wars routinely visually depicted Jedi using the Force?
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How is that different from the ways in which the Prequels and The Clone Wars routinely visually depicted Jedi using the Force?
I'm not a huge fan of the prequels. I'm not overly familiar with Clone Wars. It's cartoony in TCW because its a cartoon. I thought it looked silly here in live action. Period. It's a fucking minor criticism from me. I don't know what else you want from me on this.
Just another person waiting to take Palpatines place.
When I saw the trailer, I thought it was blood and that the planet was alive or something.
More complex that just good or bad and I like that. Star Wars is turning into a Marvel Netflix show.
Fans were disappointed with the prequel trilogy because they wanted Star Wars to grow with them and now it looks like it is.
A candid explanation of what, specifically, bothered you about what Johnson depicted and why it didn't work for you even though it's not actually without previous precedent in the franchise's Canon.
I'm not trying to be condescending here; I'm trying to start a conversation about why you feel critical of this element in relation to what previous Canon has visually shown us as it concerns the Force and what it can allow people to do.
Word. Sadly it seems that some actually don't want that to be the case based on some of the criticism.
It looked silly. It looked like a cheap effect. That's really all it is in my opinion. But its not a story thing. It's an execution thing. That's as candid as I can get this morning after one viewing and minimal sleep. lol. But, yes, they've established long ago that the Jedi can do all sorts of superhuman things. But another thing: Leia isn't a Jedi. Oh, sure, she's probably had a little Force training from Luke over the years. And in this trilogy, it seems that something is making the Force more accessible. Or more prominent. Not sure that we'll ever get an answer on how and why that's happening.
As Luke pointed out the force does not belong to the Jedi and as Snoke shown neither does it to the Sith, they are just labels. Force Users can wield it and Leia is a force sensitive character.
That was a purposeful clue that
he wasn't really there, along with having the wrong clothes and the wrong haircut.
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Overall, I liked the movie, damn fine entertainment. Luke's story was pretty damn great, Rey got some excellent development as well. Kylo Ren's story was also really interesting. I don't really think the movie did a lot of the other characters justice, though. Snoke and Phasma were especially disappointments, particularly since Phasma was promised to have a larger role in this movie, and they even made her part of the promotional material for the movie with her own novel and comic book. If anything, she probably has less involvement in this movie than she did in TFA, and I doubt she's returning for Episode IX. Snoke, just what the hell is the point of him? He's been built up since TFA as some sort of ultimate Dark Sider, yet all we get are a few Evil Stereotypes and then he's killed. I do wonder, is he really dead? Darth Maul survived being sliced at the hip and falling down a pit, so Snoke surviving being sliced in half and falling off his chair. Though, I suppose if Kylo Ren is making a move to assume Supreme Leadership of the First Order, he'd damn well make sure Snoke's out of the way. Benicio del Toro's character definitely didn't live up to the hype either.
I don't really like how they turned General Hux into a punching bag for this movie, nor how far into the extremes they went with Poe being a hotshot making the worse decisions completely ignorant of the bigger picture. I'm forced to wonder why he even has a position of responsibility based on this movie.
Storyline wise, I'm kind of curious what they were building up with Leia surviving the bridge's destruction, which sadly we'll likely never get to see play out as it was intended. Meanwhile the stuff with the crystal wolves kind of reminded me of the current storyline with the wolves on Rebels. I wonder if that was intentional?
Oh, and I will finish off with saying the Porgs were damn awesome. As were those weird fish-nuns or whatever they were.
I don't really like how they turned General Hux into a punching bag for this movie, nor how far into the extremes they went with Poe being a hotshot making the worse decisions completely ignorant of the bigger picture. I'm forced to wonder why he even has a position of responsibility based on this movie.
Storyline wise, I'm kind of curious what they were building up with Leia surviving the bridge's destruction, which sadly we'll likely never get to see play out as it was intended. Meanwhile the stuff with the crystal wolves kind of reminded me of the current storyline with the wolves on Rebels. I wonder if that was intentional?
Oh, and I will finish off with saying the Porgs were damn awesome. As were those weird fish-nuns or whatever they were.
Just seen it and I won't be using spoiler tags because this is a grading thread so don't enter it when the movie is playing in theatres if you haven't seen it...
So much to process it's impossible at this point in time and without a rewatch or two but overall I enjoyed the movie with parts making me smile, parts making me laugh and near the end I was gripped. The movie does have issues though and IMO a few more than TFA but it's positive sides are largely beyond that of TFA. The opening hour is rather slow after the space battle kicks everything off and the side story is a little unengaging, rushed and feels a little out of place for a 2 hour 30 mins +movie and something you'd expect to see flow over several episodes of a TV show.
Snoke's death (assuming he is dead) was shocking, surprising but also disappointing. Snoke picked up the pieces left behind by Palpatine and manage to build the First Order and almost destroy the Republic but we know next to NOTHING about who he is, what he is or how he managed to achieve any of this. The Sequel Trilogy's biggest flaw is the failure to detail the events between ROTJ and TFA/TLJ, I won't accept books to fill in the gaps, I want it on screen. Snoke seems like nothing but a plot device and that is a little shabby IMO but Kylo Ren benefits from it by becoming something new IMO. Kylo is both Jedi & Sith using both to achieve his desire of replacing Vader and leading The First Order but not content to simply be the Empire 2.0 and Rey is his exact opposite and that makes the 3rd film very, very intriguing.
The scenes with Luke were brilliant and seeing how he basically was just as responsible as Snoke for turning Ben (I wonder if Snoke gave Luke false visions like he did to Rey) was a nice twist and we got to see the Green Sabre again
His death will most likely piss people off but it felt very fitting and was a noble end to a very noble character. Also YODA!!!!! 
For now i'll leave it there but i'm leaning towards B+ (TFA was A-) as it doesn't benefit from the nostalgic factor as much and TFA felt a little better paced overall.
So much to process it's impossible at this point in time and without a rewatch or two but overall I enjoyed the movie with parts making me smile, parts making me laugh and near the end I was gripped. The movie does have issues though and IMO a few more than TFA but it's positive sides are largely beyond that of TFA. The opening hour is rather slow after the space battle kicks everything off and the side story is a little unengaging, rushed and feels a little out of place for a 2 hour 30 mins +movie and something you'd expect to see flow over several episodes of a TV show.
Snoke's death (assuming he is dead) was shocking, surprising but also disappointing. Snoke picked up the pieces left behind by Palpatine and manage to build the First Order and almost destroy the Republic but we know next to NOTHING about who he is, what he is or how he managed to achieve any of this. The Sequel Trilogy's biggest flaw is the failure to detail the events between ROTJ and TFA/TLJ, I won't accept books to fill in the gaps, I want it on screen. Snoke seems like nothing but a plot device and that is a little shabby IMO but Kylo Ren benefits from it by becoming something new IMO. Kylo is both Jedi & Sith using both to achieve his desire of replacing Vader and leading The First Order but not content to simply be the Empire 2.0 and Rey is his exact opposite and that makes the 3rd film very, very intriguing.
The scenes with Luke were brilliant and seeing how he basically was just as responsible as Snoke for turning Ben (I wonder if Snoke gave Luke false visions like he did to Rey) was a nice twist and we got to see the Green Sabre again
His death will most likely piss people off but it felt very fitting and was a noble end to a very noble character. Also YODA!!!!! For now i'll leave it there but i'm leaning towards B+ (TFA was A-) as it doesn't benefit from the nostalgic factor as much and TFA felt a little better paced overall.
I loved it. I also found it completely unpredictable. The throne room scene was fantastic and probably the best thing in cinema in years. No wonder Rian had been given control of his own trilogy.
I thought the Leia scene was cool. I'm honestly surprised at all the backlash.
I thought the Leia scene was cool. I'm honestly surprised at all the backlash.
Well, I’ve come out the cinema feeling a bit empty, it certainly was a good movie however there are too many things I didnt like or didn’t sit well with me...
Pros
Yoda ghost (best part of the movie for me)
The character development was strong, Rey, Po, Finn and BB-8 are all very likeable characters I’m sure will continue the saga for years to come.
We got to see more of C-3PO than in TFA
Chewie is still fantastic in every way
Cons
Flying Leia (what the f**k was that)
R2D2 screen time as in TFA was very limited despite being an extremely useful and quirky character, he now just sits there n bleeps.
Luke’s ‘death’ (worst possible way to kill off the ultimate SW character IMO)
Phasma (there’s just no need)
Snoke’s death
The inclusion of Maz felt forced, she should’ve died in TFA or not have existed at all IMO
Certain scenes felt rushed, one minute we’re with Luke, then we’re with the rebel’s then it switches to the millennium falcon then back to Luke.
I just don’t like the way they’ve dealt with the ‘old’ Characters, I understand the need for a new set of heroes but the way they’ve gone about it feels like they’ve completely disregarded them and they Luke especially deserved a better send off.
I will watch episode 9 but I’m not excited for it after watching this, I thought I’d be the complete opposite.
Pros
Yoda ghost (best part of the movie for me)
The character development was strong, Rey, Po, Finn and BB-8 are all very likeable characters I’m sure will continue the saga for years to come.
We got to see more of C-3PO than in TFA
Chewie is still fantastic in every way
Cons
Flying Leia (what the f**k was that)
R2D2 screen time as in TFA was very limited despite being an extremely useful and quirky character, he now just sits there n bleeps.
Luke’s ‘death’ (worst possible way to kill off the ultimate SW character IMO)
Phasma (there’s just no need)
Snoke’s death
The inclusion of Maz felt forced, she should’ve died in TFA or not have existed at all IMO
Certain scenes felt rushed, one minute we’re with Luke, then we’re with the rebel’s then it switches to the millennium falcon then back to Luke.
I just don’t like the way they’ve dealt with the ‘old’ Characters, I understand the need for a new set of heroes but the way they’ve gone about it feels like they’ve completely disregarded them and they Luke especially deserved a better send off.
I will watch episode 9 but I’m not excited for it after watching this, I thought I’d be the complete opposite.
One explains the other. Luke's reaction could have been anything we've heard before: "Where did you find this?" "Who are you?" "Now that's a lightsaber I've not seen in a long time, a long time" "Where's the hand??" but just tossing it over his shoulder? Hilarious and surprising.
#same
Reading the commentary online is really setting off my "THEY HATE THIS THING I LIKE" alarms.
After watching the movie, I have two concerns for the next film:
1. How will they be able to make the Resistance into a stoppable force against the First Order?
2. I have doubts about the ability of JJ Abrams to make a better film than this one or a film which will fully successfully ocntinue the story from here. He is a competent director who can get butts into seats. However, he is not a great storyteller and that is what is needed after this film.
In light of what is happening in the world now, with reverses being made by poweful forces at nearly every level of our society, I saw the film as a reflection of our times. Thankfully, for those who are opposed to the degradation of our society, there have been some triumphs. We have not yet reached the point where we are met with one failure after another.
Yes, failure can be very educational - it can teach you, it can prepare you, for being better next time. However, it is draining. Too many failures and you might not see the purporse of it ever again.
1. How will they be able to make the Resistance into a stoppable force against the First Order?
The Resistance is down to less than thirty individuals. Enough people survived to fill the Milliennium Falcon, but no more than that. Other then Leia, there are no high ranking officers. They have lost all capital ships, all fighters, and most of their other tech. Their allies in the Outer Rim did not respond to their call for help. For the First Order, the command ship, Snoke's ship, though badly damaged is still in the fight. The First Order is close to sealing the deal on the major systems. They have far more troops and tech than the nearly obliterated Resistance.
2. I have doubts about the ability of JJ Abrams to make a better film than this one or a film which will fully successfully ocntinue the story from here. He is a competent director who can get butts into seats. However, he is not a great storyteller and that is what is needed after this film.
In light of what is happening in the world now, with reverses being made by poweful forces at nearly every level of our society, I saw the film as a reflection of our times. Thankfully, for those who are opposed to the degradation of our society, there have been some triumphs. We have not yet reached the point where we are met with one failure after another.
Yes, failure can be very educational - it can teach you, it can prepare you, for being better next time. However, it is draining. Too many failures and you might not see the purporse of it ever again.
Yes, that scares the crap out of me.
What if you're already there?
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I guess there is always the New Republic fleet, and before anyone mentions TFA. I find it stretchs belief that the New Republic doesn't have numerous starships out else where in the Galaxy that it can call upon.
I guess there is always the New Republic fleet, and before anyone mentions TFA. I find it stretchs belief that the New Republic doesn't have numerous starships out else where in the Galaxy that it can call upon.
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We do not know what assets the allies in the Outer Rim might have. They could have fleets. As for the New Republic, there is nothing left.
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