Agents of SHIELD season 5
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It's possible, but I find it hard to believe that time travel on this level would be introduced into the MCU on Agents of SHIELD. I think it more likely that Coulson and his crew have simply gained a reputation from their multiple encounters with the Kree. I also find it ironic that nobody on Earth knows that Coulson is alive but he is a legend to the rest of the universe.
I think that, by this point, it's most likely that the Avengers do know he's alive, it just happened off-camera. Unless there's a reference in Thor: Ragnarok I'm not aware of because I'm too broke to see any movies right now.
Actually, there was an interview super recently with Clark Gregg where he says:
It's really touching to me how much the fans stay obsessed with the idea of when the Avengers are going to learn Coulson's alive. I don't know, I find that so touching. I think the Avengers have moved on, they're busy.
But that's from the actor, and this isn't really a definitive answer.
^Yeah, I think fans are taking what Whedon said about Age of Ultron too literally. As a storyteller, keeping in mind that a lot of the moviegoing audience didn't watch AoS and hadn't seen Coulson's resurrection, it made sense to tell his story as if Coulson were still dead, just for narrative clarity. That doesn't have to mean that the characters were literally unaware of his resurrection, just that it didn't come up in the movie. And in the show, Coulson makes no effort to hide the fact of his continued existence, so it makes no sense that the Avengers don't know.
The only time I remember Coulson explicitly saying that the Avenger's don't know was a few seasons back when he told Lady Sif that he'd let them know his own way or something to that effect.
Or is it 'something to that affect?' I'm never really sure. I'm sure @Christopher will have that answer!
Or is it 'something to that affect?' I'm never really sure. I'm sure @Christopher will have that answer!
Well that didn't take long to get an answer.
And it makes sense, how would Shield's top secret spy missions be "legendary" in the present?
You know, if they stay in the future for the season, it's a great way to keep people from asking why they aren't in the movies or why there's no guest stars from the movies and people can just enjoy or not enjoy the stories for what they are.
I was expecting that they'd be in the future for the first block of episodes in the season, then get back to the present and have to try to figure out what was going to destroy the Earth as the next story arc (sort of like the series Odyssey 5). But they answered that question at the end of the second hour. I guess they could still do a "how do we prevent it" arc.
Surprising that Fitz didn't show up at all. I wonder how long it'll be before we get back to him, or get some explanation for that weird bald guy from the teaser. Since he apparently wore a fake human skin, he's probably something more alien than a Kree, who could just use makeup to pass for human. And why would he abduct the SHIELD team to send them into the future? Is he actually a good guy, giving them advance warning of the threat to Earth so they can stop it?
I wonder if those murder balls used by Florence Faivre's Kree character are based on the same tech as Yondu's arrow in Guardians. Although they're clearly not sound-controlled, since she doesn't appear to speak.
Surprising that Fitz didn't show up at all. I wonder how long it'll be before we get back to him, or get some explanation for that weird bald guy from the teaser. Since he apparently wore a fake human skin, he's probably something more alien than a Kree, who could just use makeup to pass for human. And why would he abduct the SHIELD team to send them into the future? Is he actually a good guy, giving them advance warning of the threat to Earth so they can stop it?
I wonder if those murder balls used by Florence Faivre's Kree character are based on the same tech as Yondu's arrow in Guardians. Although they're clearly not sound-controlled, since she doesn't appear to speak.
Well, that was very dramatic!
Murder balls always takes me to Phantasm.
If it is true, obviously there's some exotic manner of time-fuckery afoot. Intuitively, you'd expect the future the team ended up in would be one where they suddenly vanished out of a diner in 2016 (or so), and the ensuing future would account for their absence (a la the series finale of The Sarah Connor Chronicles, where John went to the future and couldn't trade off his reputation anymore because in this timeline he never became a resistance leader on account of vanishing into a a time machine as a teenager). The postcard note from Fitz seems to support that theory. The other possibilities are that they're in an alternate future where they were never removed from time (which the postcard seems to disprove, unless it has another meaning that isn't obvious), or they're in a future where they went to the future, came back, and then destroyed the Earth. Which seems less likely, since the whole thing would probably form a self-consistent loop, though I suppose it could be like that episode of SGU where they needed a couple cycles of time-travel to get things right.
Or Deke's just made an incorrect guess based on fragmentary information, but it feels like sloppy narrative to just jerk us around like that as a hook for the rest of the story arc.
IMO, Season 5 is shaping up to be AOS’s “Year of Hell” or “Twilight” with the inevitable task of preventing the destruction of Earth and will be the MCU's first "reset button" that we've come to know in Trek. When all's said and done only Coulson and his team, with the exception of Fitz, will likely remember the "Lighthouse" future.
I have a couple of guesses for what causes the destruction of earth in case if Daisy’s supposed role turns out to be either revisionist history or downright deception on Deke’s part. Deke might not know all the facts since he might have only found a incomplete information of earth history leading up to the world’s destruction.
1: The destruction of earth could be a result of Thanos winning the infinity wars and Coulson’s team could have a role to play in events relating to infinity wars to prevent earth’s destruction, though their role won’t be mentioned on-screen in next year’s Infinity Wars movie, but would be a major tie-in to the film.
2: The destruction of Earth could have something to do with the “Superior” Anton Ivanov, the Russian oligarch from Season 4 and leader of the watchdogs and he could have knowledge from the Darkhold since he was seen reading it. Even though Aida was defeated and Ivanov no longer has the Darkhold in his position since it’s now in the hands of ghost rider and Robbie took it to a safe location, Ivanov could likely still have acquired enough knowledge from it to carry out his plan to reshape the Earth so he can rule it. He discussed with Aida his idea of using knowledge from the darkhold to reshape the world in the S4 finale so he can rule, and possibly still wants to carry out this plan. Perhaps using darkhold knowledge to put this plan into motion is what causes the destruction of the earth? If so, Daisy and the team will have to deafeat Ivanov and prevent him for carrying out his plan once they get back to earth later in the season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the Superior again with his LMD army again in the second part of this season once the team returns to earth in the present.
I have a couple of guesses for what causes the destruction of earth in case if Daisy’s supposed role turns out to be either revisionist history or downright deception on Deke’s part. Deke might not know all the facts since he might have only found a incomplete information of earth history leading up to the world’s destruction.
1: The destruction of earth could be a result of Thanos winning the infinity wars and Coulson’s team could have a role to play in events relating to infinity wars to prevent earth’s destruction, though their role won’t be mentioned on-screen in next year’s Infinity Wars movie, but would be a major tie-in to the film.
2: The destruction of Earth could have something to do with the “Superior” Anton Ivanov, the Russian oligarch from Season 4 and leader of the watchdogs and he could have knowledge from the Darkhold since he was seen reading it. Even though Aida was defeated and Ivanov no longer has the Darkhold in his position since it’s now in the hands of ghost rider and Robbie took it to a safe location, Ivanov could likely still have acquired enough knowledge from it to carry out his plan to reshape the Earth so he can rule it. He discussed with Aida his idea of using knowledge from the darkhold to reshape the world in the S4 finale so he can rule, and possibly still wants to carry out this plan. Perhaps using darkhold knowledge to put this plan into motion is what causes the destruction of the earth? If so, Daisy and the team will have to deafeat Ivanov and prevent him for carrying out his plan once they get back to earth later in the season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the Superior again with his LMD army again in the second part of this season once the team returns to earth in the present.
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Well, I've never seen that, and I'd just rewatched the Arrowverse crossover yesterday afternoon, so T-Spheres were fresh in my mind.
I think your last suggestion -- went to the future, came back, and then destroyed the Earth -- is what they're going for. Once the heroes manage to get back to the present, their arc for the rest of the season will be figuring out how to prevent the Earth's imminent destruction.