Avengers Infinity War (and beyond) anticipation thread
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That's a strong possibility for some of the characters, but I do expect at least one, probably two to actually be dead. Iron Man and Captain America especially deserve the grandest, most heroic exit stage left you can get. And Iron Man doesn't need to be alive to keep doing cameos (Tony Stark AI). Cap could also easily support a future Legacy Cap movie with flashbacks and those PSAs we saw in Homecoming (or other recordings).
Contracts have zero to do with death, it's strange some people equate the two. All it means is that an actor will no longer play a character. But there are many outcomes for the character, be it retirement, going into hiding, simply not bothering to mention them if the stories don't warrant it, or recasting. Just ask that Peter Parker or Bruce Banner fellow.
Deaths will only happen for the drama (and it might happen). But it has nothing to do with contracts.
The obvious answer is Cap will die. Which means he won't/shouldn't.
Deaths will only happen for the drama (and it might happen). But it has nothing to do with contracts.
The obvious answer is Cap will die. Which means he won't/shouldn't.
Sometimes the obvious answer really is the right answer.
People thought he was an obvious answer to die in civil war, too.
I think it would be lazy to kill him because it's so expected. I'm not a fan of killing heroes generally speaking regardless, really, it's kind of an easy way out for drama, but that's more a personal thing about me. Would it ruin the movie if it happens? Of course not. But we don't want things THAT predictable, do we?
I'm not talking about what people think ought to happen, I'm talking about what's best for the story now and in future movies.
This movie has to be huge, it has to be emotional, it has to be more epic than anything MS has done. Thanos has to be the most horrifying, effective, terrible villain they've ever faced. And the MCU has to never quite be the same again. That's what they're selling, and the amount of effort needed to live up to that hype is enormous. Some broken ribs and shattered spines aren't going to cut it this time.
On top of that, they have to be planning ahead for where these characters are going since the actors are probably not going to be around for that much longer, and the fact of the matter is that most of the solutions proposed are almost certainly not workable for these two specific characters. Retirement is entirely unbelievable for either of them. Immediate recasting of these two specific actors would be a pr nightmare. Maybe if you give it a gap, people could eventually accept recasting within the same continuity, but that still leaves the problem of explaining where they are in the meantime.
The only real options are death, continuing on as normal, or some sort of exile/prison/illness that can take them out of circulation (which is sad and lame and still runs the risk of causing people to expect an actual story about it). Now, if they believe they've got years left with these actors, then fair enough, but if they know their time is running out, then they have to be setting up an appropriate end point for Cap and/or Tony, and they're not getting any better opportunity than this story. Especially since death doesn't even close the door on future cameos in this case.
You have a device that can do anything the mind can imagine, and all the writers have as options are death? That's all I'm saying. There are emotional things they can do that are much more creative than that. Doesn't Age of Ultron hint at Steve maybe reuniting with Peggy? Something different than death when the universe can be reshaped in any way can work emotionally and creatively as well. Most especially when people are expecting death. With the Infinity Gauntlet, there are about infinity options to use. Setting up new actors is as easy as a snap of a finger. Literally.
Seriously. Every three years when a TV actor's contract ends, the characters don't just die. Sometimes... strangely... they renegotiate their contracts and keep playing the character. Or with James Bond, when Connery left and they killed him off.
Setting up new actors is never a problem. It's getting people to accept them that's not going to happen. If marvel just replaces Downey and Evans with other actors, they will lose a serious chunk of their audience, and they know it. It's just not the same as it was with Norton or Howard.
As for Steve reuniting with Peggy, the easiest way to do that is for him to die. Using the gauntlet to permanently bring her to the present day would just confuse people, especially as an ending to his story (why bring a kickass woman back into the show just so she can retire?) and sending him to the past would rewrite marvel's entire history.
The gauntlet can EASILY take care of re-writing history. It's the Infinity Gauntlet!
You know . . . it's funny. For over a year, people have been claiming that the DCEU movies should be more like the MCU films. When WB finally tried to make one of their movies like the MCU, it is criticized for exactly that. And to make matters more ironic, I finally saw the "Infinity War" trailer and the movie looks as if it had been directed by Zack Snyder and photographed by Larry Fong.
This world is either crazy or fickle.
I don't want Steve to reunite with Peggy. They had their chance and it didn't go through. Peggy moved on with a husband and children. It's time for Steve to move on. And when he had the opportunity, whoever wrote "Civil War" just shitted all over it with bad writing. The MCU finally has a chance to develop Steve's relationship with Sharon, but I suspect that it's not going to happen, because people and the media refuse to consider that Steve and Sharon's relationship was a victim of bad writing and Marvel's attempt to shove an Avengers film into a Captain America movie in order to compete against "Batman v. Superman".
This world is either crazy or fickle.
I don't want Steve to reunite with Peggy. They had their chance and it didn't go through. Peggy moved on with a husband and children. It's time for Steve to move on. And when he had the opportunity, whoever wrote "Civil War" just shitted all over it with bad writing. The MCU finally has a chance to develop Steve's relationship with Sharon, but I suspect that it's not going to happen, because people and the media refuse to consider that Steve and Sharon's relationship was a victim of bad writing and Marvel's attempt to shove an Avengers film into a Captain America movie in order to compete against "Batman v. Superman".
"Compete".
Of course it can. Doesn't make it a good idea, though.
It really doesn't. 1 location with more color contrast does not make the movie's visuals 'snyder style'.
Yeah, it REALLY didn't seem like much of a competition:"Compete".
Batman vs Superman
Domestic: $330,360,194 37.8%
+ Foreign: $542,900,000 62.2%
= Worldwide: $873,260,194
Captain America: Civil War
Domestic: $408,084,349 35.4%
+ Foreign: $745,220,146 64.6%
= Worldwide: $1,153,304,495
You really just don't get how a Shared Universe works, do you?
You probably watched one of those fan edits that have been floating around for a year now, not the actual trailer.
If anything, the similarities between the two trailers (big hero shots, a one-liner or two, big epic battles against invading aliens) show that Marvel is doing it better.
The DCEU made a huge mistake by trying to cash in on MCU's succes. So, they opted to go straight for the prize: JUSTICE LEAGUE. Where the MCU build their stuff up with several movies over a few years, we only got MoS and BvS before Justice League was being made, with Wonder Woman being while they were already working on scripts and such for JL. When the trailer for JL was released, I couldn't care less about any of the characters, because they were hardly established in the DCEU yet. The same type of shots we saw in both trailers WORKED for the MCU, because we saw things happening with and to movie-versions of these beloved characters that we've known for almost a decade now.
No, there is no 'compete' here on a big scale. Perhaps for you, personally. But every fact shows that the MCU is doing way better in any measurable way compared to the DCEU.
I love how people act as though Marvel invented ensemble movies or some shit.
I, for one, would have been fucking lost watching The Magnificent Seven if I didn't have all those introductory movies first to set up the characters (Start of the Seven: The Crimes of Calvera, in particular, was absolutely essential). And thank God we had the first ten Ocean's movies before everyone came together for the big heist in Ocean's Eleven; otherwise no one would have had a clue what was going on!
I, for one, would have been fucking lost watching The Magnificent Seven if I didn't have all those introductory movies first to set up the characters (Start of the Seven: The Crimes of Calvera, in particular, was absolutely essential). And thank God we had the first ten Ocean's movies before everyone came together for the big heist in Ocean's Eleven; otherwise no one would have had a clue what was going on!
The Magnificent Seven which is of course widely known for resulting in a long running universe in which our heroes solve many different problems and face many different villains both together and seperately.
Not that you're entirely wrong, but it should be fairly obvious that there are some important differences in play here.
I'm reading the mini-series again and I noticed a visual similarity from the trailer that I had forgotten about: Silver Surfer crashed through the roof of Dr. Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum, bearing news of Thanos' arrival and how he could herald the end of the universe. Unfortunately, Silver Surfer won't be appearing because of Fox, so it seems possible that Banner is fulfilling at least this part of Silver Surfer's role from the mini-series.
The last time we saw Banner is when Thanos' ship intercepts the Asgard refugees. In addition to what has already been theorized regarding those two ships and how Banner arrives on Earth, I wonder if Banner learns from Loki who Thanos is and what he intends to do (especially since Loki has the Tesseract) before he's cast away. The only difference is Silver Surfer specifically headed for Dr. Strange whereas Banner won't likely have any control of where he goes and doesn't know who Strange is (unless Thor tells him but that seems unlikely).
The last time we saw Banner is when Thanos' ship intercepts the Asgard refugees. In addition to what has already been theorized regarding those two ships and how Banner arrives on Earth, I wonder if Banner learns from Loki who Thanos is and what he intends to do (especially since Loki has the Tesseract) before he's cast away. The only difference is Silver Surfer specifically headed for Dr. Strange whereas Banner won't likely have any control of where he goes and doesn't know who Strange is (unless Thor tells him but that seems unlikely).