Spoilers marsh8472's Consolidated Continuity Thread

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

/raises hand

Budget and needs and priorities,

the badges weren't important, so they didn't care.
A show made in the 60's jumpstarted in the 80's carried on through 2017, bound to be some differences and some minor inconsistencies. I say if the constitution class makes an appearance, give them the badges and call it a day.

Hell, if the Connie class, or rather the Big E, shows up, the uniforms and badges should look like the ones in the Kelvin movies.

 

[Feron]

I'm assuming nothing. I'm saying it's WILDLY INCONSISTENT in that there is no clear advantage to using phasers or torpedoes in one situation or another. Given their relative strengths and weaknesses and given that you can and do score lucky shots with EITHER weapon, one or the other should fall out of disuse.

Of course... how do you get a lucky shot against an asteroid?


It has become accepted in the SW universe -- for some reason -- that any critical damage to the "main reactor" will cause the entire ship to explode.

So... yes. Basically.

LOL, for your question about a lucky shot with an asteroid: I am guessing that your profession doesn't involve directly working with physical materials.

An asteroid blowing up with a single shot is actually one of the easiest things to explain. Asteroids are not precisely machined items that are consistently durable in any given dimension. The asteroid in question could have had a hidden pocket of explosive gas or a section composed of a material that would explode if sufficiently triggered by something such as a torpedo hit. (say a core of magnesium that explodes when heated sufficiently) Or just simply have a hollowed section or fractures or fault lines that a torpedo hit could cause to trigger a massive disintegration.

In real life, that is something that sometimes happens. There have been cases where a ground soldier successfully brought down an airplane with a lucky shot from a rifle or pistol. Does that mean that rifles and pistols are great anti-aircraft weapons, and that any show or game that doesn't depict planes being routinely brought down with pistol shots is "wildly inconsistent?" LOL, no.

 

[marsh8472]

Kelvin had badges:

those are referred to as assignment patches on memory alpha. They have a shiny surface.

 

[XCV330]

You could try to spin it around like that if you wish but it's still the same problem. Why is it in TOS every starfleet officer they encounter does not wear the pins instead of the patches, as if the patches are common place? Enterprise also had patches.

Obtuse. That's a flight suit. There is no place for a badge.
However, if you want to split hairs:

Pre-NX01 dress uniforms keep metal pips across the front. There's your badge.

and a very few years later.. Metal Badges.
patches don't show up again until the Cage.

 

[marsh8472]

Obtuse. That's a flight suit. There is no place for a badge.
However, if you want to split hairs:

Pre-NX01 dress uniforms keep metal pips across the front. There's your badge.

and a very few years later.. Metal Badges.
patches don't show up again until the Cage.

The pips are pins, not badges.

 

[zar]

 

[marsh8472]

not starfleet

 

[BillJ]

The pips are pins, not badges.

I think that, once again, you're making a big deal out of nothing. Whether the badge is fabric or metal doesn't change the quality of the stories. It actually changes nothing in the universe of any matter.

 

[zar]

not starfleet

But why isn't he wearing the Phoenix mission patch from First Contact??? Why is he wearing orange?? None of it makes sense! Humans didn't invent detachable metal uniform bits until the 2280s!

 

[marsh8472]

But why isn't he wearing the Phoenix mission patch from First Contact??? Why is he wearing orange?? None of it makes sense! Humans didn't invent detachable metal uniform bits until the 2280s!

He was on that planet a while. His original clothing wouldn't last that long.

 

[XCV330]

Why is Kirk wearing detachable thingies on the front of his uniform? Does he not know that only patches exist in this period of time? Literally unwatchable? OMG Gene's Vision!!!

 

[zar]

He was on that planet a while. His original clothing wouldn't last that long.

Wait, are you serious? Are you actually going to argue that's an alien uniform now, just so you can continue claiming humans pinning metal to the front of their uniforms before TOS is a continuity error?

 

[BillJ]

Fuck continuity and fuck "Gene's Vision".

 

[pst]

There is no rational in universe reason to go from explorer/military looking jumpsuits to pajamas and miniskirts. None. just None.

Since when does fashion follow rational rules?

since when does star trek follow fashion?

was looking at this concept art for the shenzou's bridge:

noticed that the artist rendered the crew (including a pretty badass looking saru) in uniforms that look a little more like what we'd expect (or prefer) from this era. i really like this look - a little of the USS kelvin uniforms, a little of the cage, a little of discovery all rolled into one. and all it really took is darker trousers...

 

[BillJ]

since when does star trek follow fashion?

was looking at this concept art for the shenzou's bridge:

noticed that the artist rendered the crew (including a pretty badass looking saru) in uniforms that look a little more like what we'd expect (or prefer) from this era. i really like this look - a little of the USS kelvin uniforms, a little of the cage, a little of discovery all rolled into one. and all it really took is darker trousers...

And to get rid of the details running down the side.

 

[XCV330]

since when does star trek follow fashion?

was looking at this concept art for the shenzou's bridge:

noticed that the artist rendered the crew (including a pretty badass looking saru) in uniforms that look a little more like what we'd expect (or prefer) from this era. i really like this look - a little of the USS kelvin uniforms, a little of the cage, a little of discovery all rolled into one. and all it really took is darker trousers...

Wow. the uniforms really do look better with black trousers. I like that. And the metallic-trimmed boots could probably go in the trash too. Bit too much branding.

 

[marsh8472]

Wait, are you serious? Are you actually going to argue that's an alien uniform now, just so you can continue claiming humans pinning metal to the front of their uniforms before TOS is a continuity error?

Not saying that. I'm saying he's been down on that planet a long time and detached from civilization. The clothing we see him wearing, however he produced it, is not relevant to the clothing everyone else is wearing at that time.

 

[pst]

And to get rid of the details running down the side.

you know, after trek had a segment during the non-commercial commercial break in one of the first episodes that interviewed the costume designer... she mentioned the blinged out deltas along the sides of the tunics and trousers were added after the fact at the producers' request.

i just can't with some of these choices.

 

[BillJ]

you know, after trek had a segment during the non-commercial commercial break in one of the first episodes that interviewed the costume designer... she mentioned the blinged out deltas along the sides of the tunics and trousers were added after the fact at the producers' request.

i just can't with some of these choices.

Whoever made the call, it was an awful one.

 

[XCV330]

I wonder if they went with blue and stripes just because so much of the set is filmed in low light that they didn't want the crew to look invisible from the waist down. If they COULD make it work, it would be a good way to slowly introduce the transition to TOS uniform by means of the black trousers in season 2. cheaper too