Spoilers marsh8472's Consolidated Continuity Thread

[pst]

Whoever made the call, it was an awful one.

also i get the desire to make the division colors metallic and that resulted in boiling yellow, red and blue down to gold, bronze and silver. but they could just have easily made the division colors metallic yellow, metallic red and metallic blue and people like me wouldn't be so tripped up.

i totally appreciate the bold, detailed approach to these uniforms. they're striking, they make an impression. my less-trekkie friends really dug them and were admiring all the little touches, like the deltas on the boots. but i was happier when michael, ash and saru were running around in their away team jumpsuits without all that flashy junk.

 

[marsh8472]

The badges come with built in communicators in the 24th century. Why didn't they just put that in Discovery too? The flip phone stuff is antiquated even by today's standards.

 

[pst]

The badges come with built in communicators in the 24th century. Why didn't they just put that in Discovery too? The flip phone stuff is antiquated even by today's standards.

because this is iconic:

I wonder if they went with blue and stripes just because so much of the set is filmed in low light that they didn't want the crew to look invisible from the waist down. If they COULD make it work, it would be a good way to slowly introduce the transition to TOS uniform by means of the black trousers in season 2. cheaper too

i think they should do something like they did with the kelvin uniforms: not black trousers, just darker trousers.

 

[XCV330]

We don't actually know how often uniforms changed between USS Franklin and USS Kelvin. for all we know in backstory, Starfleet was churning out wildly different uniform/patch/badge combinations every few years. Maybe after the worst of the lot, the TMP pajamas, they finally gave up and settled with the crimson uniforms for 6 or 7 decades.


edited to add: I still miss my old flip phone

 

[zar]

Not saying that. I'm saying he's been down on that planet a long time and detached from civilization. The clothing we see him wearing, however he produced it, is not relevant to the clothing everyone else is wearing at that time.

Oh, so you are serious. Okay, wow.

was looking at this concept art for the shenzou's bridge:

I have to say, I think DSC has brought its concept art to life better than any Trek so far.

also i get the desire to make the division colors metallic and that resulted in boiling yellow, red and blue down to gold, bronze and silver. but they could just have easily made the division colors metallic yellow, metallic red and metallic blue and people like me wouldn't be so tripped up.

The gold, bronze and silver actually closely match the uniform colors on Pike's Enterprise, though.

 

[Kor]

The silver is also reminiscent of cadet uniforms we saw once or twice in TOS.

Kor

 

[pst]

We don't actually know how often uniforms changed between USS Franklin and USS Kelvin. for all we know in backstory, Starfleet was churning out wildly different uniform/patch/badge combinations every few years. Maybe after the worst of the lot, the TMP pajamas, they finally gave up and settled with the crimson uniforms for 6 or 7 decades.

not to harp on the kelvin timeline, which basically doesn't even matter anymore. but star trek into darkness' costuming of the USS vengeance crew could easily indicate that starfleet uses unique uniforms for different ships. they even referred to the standard duty uniforms designed by michael kaplan as "enterprise uniforms" behind the scenes.

so this notion that discovery's uniforms aren't precursors but are contemporaneous with the cage uniforms, isn't without precedent.

 

[XCV330]

so this notion that discovery's uniforms aren't precursors but are contemporaneous with the cage uniforms, isn't without precedent.

Might make sense. I notice Epsilon IX crew had a uniform that was still slightly different from the Enterprise (ribbed collaring, no Arrow patch, etc)

 

[marsh8472]

Oh, so you are serious. Okay, wow.

Sure, maybe humans are wearing badges on that planet in the Delta Quadrant where the 37's are too. That's not really important. Zefram Cochrane has been on that planet for some 150 years. If he were wearing a bikini instead of whatever he was wearing in that episode it would have no bearing on how people from the 23rd century normally dress.

 

[zar]

Sure, maybe humans are wearing badges on that planet in the Delta Quadrant where the 37's are too. That's not really important. Zefram Cochrane has been on that planet for some 150 years. If he were wearing a bikini instead of whatever he was wearing in that episode it would have no bearing on how people from the 23rd century normally dress.

Of course it's not 23rd century dress. It's older. That's the point. Cochrane wore a blue flight suit with sewn-on mission patches on the Phoenix, and Starfleet used the same in ENT. How could Cochrane have a badge before ENT? Mindblowing! At least, when one ascribes to your brand of logic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Let`s see. Shaped like an arrow head. Little squiddlies in the middle. Looks era appropriate to me.

 

[Kor]

Let`s see. Shaped like an arrow head. Little squiddlies in the middle. Looks era appropriate to me.

Exactly. I really don't get the point of these threads. I would rather focus on substantial things like writing and characterization instead of such minutiae.

Kor

 

[Crazy Eddie]

LOL, for your question about a lucky shot with an asteroid: I am guessing that your profession doesn't involve directly working with physical materials.

I'm guessing that YOUR profession doesn't involve directly working with asteroids, considering the smug pretense that your answer consists of.

In real life, that is something that sometimes happens.

Yes, Manfreid von Richtoven -- aka "The Red Barron" -- was killed by ground fire, apparently by someone who wasn't even aiming at him (the lucky bastard shot him in the ass).

You will not, on the other hand, see soldiers performing battle drills in which they deliberately shoot down entire squadrons of enemy fighters with single-shot rifles. James T. Kirk didn't go into the Kobyashi Maru simulator and order his weapons officer to fire six lucky shots at the Klingon warships; simulation or not, THAT is not a real thing.

So the ability of photon torpedoes to reliably destroy unshielded targets is, apparently, one of their basic features, which for a weapon that supposedly has an explosive yield equivalent to a strategic nuclear warhead, makes plenty of sense (just ask the crew of the Gagarin). But that depiction is WILDLY inconsistent in Star Trek to the point that half the time torpedoes aren't a whole lot more deadly than phasers and are literally used interchangeably (the original script for "Search for Spock" called for phasers against Kruge's ship but switched to torpedoes in film because the effects shot was cheaper to do).

Does that mean that rifles and pistols are great anti-aircraft weapons, and that any show or game that doesn't depict planes being routinely brought down with pistol shots is "wildly inconsistent?"

That depends. Are we playing Halo 1 or Halo 2?

 

[marsh8472]

Of course it's not 23rd century dress. It's older. That's the point. Cochrane wore a blue flight suit with sewn-on mission patches on the Phoenix, and Starfleet used the same in ENT. How could Cochrane have a badge before ENT? Mindblowing! At least, when one ascribes to your brand of logic.

He had all sorts of gadgets attached to his suit there. I don't know what that's supposed to be about. How do you know that thing is a badge? Maybe it's some kind of attachment device like what Tom Paris had to communicate with Alice better. None of this relates to Starfleet standards of course.

 

[XCV330]

Exactly. I really don't get the point of these threads. I would rather focus on substantial things like writing and characterization instead of such minutiae.

Kor

I'm waiting for the "The tread pattern of STD boots does not match TOS. Photographic proof!" thread.

 

[zar]

I'm waiting for the "The tread pattern of STD boots does not match TOS. Photographic proof!" thread.

"Why couldn't they be like formal shoes? They look like running shoes, it's stupid."
Yes, this actually happened.

 

[pst]

Exactly. I really don't get the point of these threads. I would rather focus on substantial things like writing and characterization instead of such minutiae.

Kor

such minutiae are the bread and butter of star trek fans since the beginning of the franchise. the details matter just as much as the writing and characterization to some of us. certainly no less worthy of discussion.

 

[marsh8472]

I'm waiting for the "The tread pattern of STD boots does not match TOS. Photographic proof!" thread.

What prompted me to make the thread was seeing Kol holding Captain Georgiou's badge. They brought attention to the badges with that scene.

 

[XCV330]

"Why couldn't they be like formal shoes? They look like running shoes, it's stupid."
Yes, this actually happened.

yikes.

future thread:
"Why are they using 1200 thread count polyester vs 400 like they REALLY used in the 23rd century. Unwatchable Garbage!"

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Obligatory firefly reference:
Mal: I got a personal code. I never run from a fight.
Inara: lol yes you do! You do it all the time!
Mal: Well... um... I'm not running from THIS fight.