so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...

[cultcross]

Let’s face it guys. When you argue that DSC made TOS obsolete than what you’re really saying is that TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and TOS & TNG movies also became obsolete

It's not 'made obsolete by DSC', it just represents older production abilities and technology. That's definitely also true of the later series and movies too. TNG started in the 1980s, and established the 24th century look then. If it was made today, it would look different. Just the same argument that is made about the Cage.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I don't think that's what people were arguing. Well, King Daniel was, but he also thinks everything up to VOY is obsolete too, so at least he's consistent. The rest of us are saying you can use modern production values without contradicting the setting.

This is exactly what they’re arguing in their own words:

In fact, let's cut to the chase here: what's happening now is inevitable: TOS is falling off the visual canon.

As for TOS falling off the visual canon that has been true since TMP.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

How would people feel about say this design? Courtesy of https://vimeo.com/kevingeorge.

This is basically the idea I think of how the Constitution class should look in DIS. Very familiar of TOS in the bridge layout but with more futuristic looking tech and cinematography.

It's not 'made obsolete by DSC', it just represents older production abilities and technology. That's definitely also true of the later series and movies too. TNG started in the 1980s, and established the 24th century look then. If it was made today, it would look different. Just the same argument that is made about the Cage.

Yup. If we were to get a Trek series set during the Enterprise-A years I would not be upset if the makers decided not to bust out the old CRT monitors for computer screens. That looked perfectly fine in 1991 but would be archaic looking today.

 

[The Wormhole]

How would people feel about say this design? Courtesy of https://vimeo.com/kevingeorge.

I'll be honest, that does look pretty cool.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

I think we've found our compromise.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

This is basically the idea I think of how the Constitution class should look in DIS. Very familiar of TOS in the bridge layout but with more futuristic looking tech and cinematography.

It's interesting and all, but this upgrade makes the TMP bridge look out of date. Why replace big terminal screens with those tiny oval displays? I can seen this evolving into the STV / STVI bridge quite easily, though.

I personally like the idea that newer starships have larger bridges. The Constitution class bridge is cramped and outdated. Not sure how the Shenzhou factors into this, timeline-wise. But it makes sense that the Discovery bridge design eventually begets the TSFS Excelsior bridge. I hate that they downsized the bridge to the overused repurposed Enterprise bridge set that permeated TNG.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

It's interesting and all, but this upgrade makes the TMP bridge look out of date. Why replace big terminal screens with those tiny oval displays? I can seen this evolving into the STV / STVI bridge quite easily, though.

I wouldn't think too much of it. The movies were a product of their time and look outdated regardless. Unless CRT monitors make a big comeback in the 2280s or something.

My suspension of disbelief is that just because something LOOKS more advanced in the 2250s in DISCO than what we see in the 2370s doesn't necessarily make it so. It's all just aesthetics of the time Trek was made. After all, DISCO still uses 23rd century tech concepts like food slots rather than replicators, even though the ship looks more advanced than Picard's.

 

[Jayson1]

I'll be honest, that does look pretty cool.

What I like about with that pic is it basically some visual evidence of what I have been trying to say since the beginning about being both retro and futuristic but I guess I wasn't able to articulate it well enough to make people see what I was thinking about.

Jason

 

[Kane_Steel]

I can't see any of the females on STD looking right in the TOS miniskirt uniforms.


It would be really awkward.

 

[Ovation]

I can't see any of the females on STD looking right in the TOS miniskirt uniforms.


It would be really awkward.

They would be fine in The Cage uniforms, though. And that would be “close enough” (though, really, I have zero desire to see any attempt at integrating TOS visuals into this show—let those elements remain implied, rather than explicit).

 

[fireproof78]

They would be fine in The Cage uniforms, though. And that would be “close enough” (though, really, I have zero desire to see any attempt at integrating TOS visuals into this show—let those elements remain implied, rather than explicit).

If they just show them in passing, or even a solid colored tunic top, that would work fine for me.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I'd be more for an updating of "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before". Bringing back the turtleneck uniforms but have them better fitting and refined unlike in the two pilots where they looked really baggy on some of the actors like Takei.

My guess is that at some point in the show they will implement more classic uniforms down the line. After a cease fire with the Klingons the new uniforms are brought in to show that Starfleet is changing its image to a friendlier less militaristic look. They won't just say "we come in peace" but also look it.

 

[Jayson1]

My guess on the uniforms is we might see a casual way of breaking them in. One of the things I always found interesting about "Generations" was how the crew on the ship was wearing both the old TNG uniforms and the newer DS9/Voyager outfits at the same time. I could see for example guess characters start showing up in the old classic uniforms and it's possible that Discovery might be out of range from Starfleet for awhile and doesn't know about the updated uniforms or even the upgraded tech. In fact it could be a running joke about how the show needs to go in for a refit because the tech is starting to be obsolete. The funny part being that the stuff that looks more obsolete is more advanced than the fancy new stuff.

Jason

 

[GhostLoveScore]

Forgive me my negativity, but from what I've seen so far, they want to replace existing Star Trek look with something new. I've read so much about "change is what Star Trek is all about". Well, try changing your lunch, eat rocks from now on. It's a change, it's good, right? No, it's not. Not every change is good.

So, now that I started, let's go ahead with it.
The ship looks very cold, it's all metal and glass.
Much of the sets were built, but we've not seen them much so far, I believe that we've seen mess hall twice and shuttlebay two or three times.

Whole "Ship can't look like in 1967 because the special effects are much better now" is ridiculous. Why not? What's the matter? Today's computer's refuse to render TOS interiors with an error popping out saying "I will not do this"?

I can think of many many different ways TOS interiors could be re-done while preserving visual style. The answer is simple, producers thought they can make Star Trek better with new looks. Remember the mirror universe episode of Enterprise? Constitution class looked great and more advanced than NX-01.

I bet we will never see Enterprise on the screen. They don't want to use the "old" visual style but they know very well that re-designing the Constitution class will get fans against them.

I hate shoes, why couldn't they be like formal shoes? They look like running shoes, it's stupid.

And what's with all the shitty acting? It seems I am watching some art student's work...

I am not all negative about the new series. I like Saru.

Sorry for the long post, I had to type it somewhere and get it off my chest. I gave Discovery a chance and it's just not for me. I watch it, but I don't put it in Star trek universe.

 

[fireproof78]

I hate shoes, why couldn't they be like formal shoes? They look like running shoes, it's stupid.

As someone who has worn formal shoes on hard surfaces for ten years, if my employer offered comfortable running shoes to wear to work, I'd take them.

And what's with all the shitty acting? It seems I am watching some art student's work...

Hahaha...I've worked on student films. DISCO is not even close.

 

[Ithekro]

I'd go for a more faithful redesign, like stick to the basic layout (having communications directly behind the captain rather than that empty wall in nuTrek), but with modem looking consoles.

nuTrek did its thing in its own timeline, I'd just like to see the Prime sets look relatively familiar but without going all the way 60s pastiche. I would have brought back those nifty little monitors, updated of course.

That's the 1964 stand-in for a holographic communications display.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Im wondering if, after the set-up in this episode that...

Spoiler: 60's universe

They visit a universe where they all wear brightly coloured uniforms and use jelly bean buttons and have none of those high tech holograms and other advanced tech

 

[Jayson1]

Im wondering if, after the set-up in this episode that...

Spoiler: 60's universe

They visit a universe where they all wear brightly coloured uniforms and use jelly bean buttons and have none of those high tech holograms and other advanced tech

I think that is very possible. If anything to put to bed the canon issue once and for all.

Jason

 

[DJM]

The producer have said it is in the "Prime" universe, but what does that mean? It's definitely a legal distinction. CBS has the rights to do television shows and Paramount the movies. So, any Trek TV show will be, technically, in the Prime universe.

Many cannot wrap their heads around how this version of Trek can become TOS. It isn't just the technology, although that is an issue. Not just the look, but TOS would represent a step back in technology.

There are, of course, other issues. The Klingons are nothing like the ones we know. Spock has a human step-sister never mentioned before - ever. Which is especially odd given she is Starfleet's first mutineer.

The obvious answer is that we are seeing a parallel universe. It makes perfect sense. The major differences are easily explained if we are seeing a universe right next door to TOS.

 

[dahj]

The producer have said it is in the "Prime" universe, but what does that mean?

That it's set in the Prime Universe, which contains TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, ST I-X and now DISCO.

Why this is such a difficult concept to understand for some is beyond me.