The Cylon Imperious Leader was a robot that looked like a lizard man. Just like the IL-series of Cylons are robots with the appearance of (non-reptilian) humanoids.
so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...
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The Cylon Imperious Leader was a robot that looked like a lizard man. Just like the IL-series of Cylons are robots with the appearance of (non-reptilian) humanoids.
That was only ever mentioned in a deleted scene:
And either way it doesn't change the fact that TOS-BSG Cylons were alien robots created by alien lizards, not by man.
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About 0.5 seconds later, exactly after the opposite was stated.
Discovery in no way invalidates previous era trek. I think expectations were way too high that the newest trek would have to either follow closely to the TOS aesthetic or, at the very least give a much larger nod to the 60s design elements.
Trek has ALWAYS utilized the technology or special effects of the day and a design aesthetic that appealed to the audience they were trying to reach. We had the luxury of the first four series follow later or concurrently in the prime timeline so advancing technology and design choices didn't look out of place in the series. The most recent, ENT and DSC, chose to explore earlier times in the Trek universe and had the challenge of creating a show that would appeal to a contemporary audience while maintaining some fidelity with what had come before.
Specifically for DSC, maintaining total fidelity to the look and feel of TOS would for many (if not most) viewers look campy and ridiculous. Alternatively, throwing away all design elements and mainstays of Trek would alienate existing fans of the franchise. DSC has in fact paid homage to the original era Trek by maintaining fidelity to the props like the tricorder and the phaser, the arrowhead insignia and placement on the uniform, saucer, secondary hull and nacelle shape of the hero ship, and familiar alien species. Any modern day interpretations of pervious Trek depicted in DSC allows for some creativity and leverages the technology of today and IMHO doesn't invalidate, minimize, or take away from the series that have come before it. Kirk is still a hero whose first love is the lady called Enterprise. Picard remains a diplomat committed to the ideals of the federation. Sisko will still begrudgingly become the savior of the Bajorans and Janeway will still lead her ship home from the delta quadrant. Archer still sees his father's design become reality and leads his crew in humanities first steps to join the larger galactic community.
What's important doesn't change and the characters you've come to love haven't changed. They're all still there for us to enjoy.
Trek has ALWAYS utilized the technology or special effects of the day and a design aesthetic that appealed to the audience they were trying to reach. We had the luxury of the first four series follow later or concurrently in the prime timeline so advancing technology and design choices didn't look out of place in the series. The most recent, ENT and DSC, chose to explore earlier times in the Trek universe and had the challenge of creating a show that would appeal to a contemporary audience while maintaining some fidelity with what had come before.
Specifically for DSC, maintaining total fidelity to the look and feel of TOS would for many (if not most) viewers look campy and ridiculous. Alternatively, throwing away all design elements and mainstays of Trek would alienate existing fans of the franchise. DSC has in fact paid homage to the original era Trek by maintaining fidelity to the props like the tricorder and the phaser, the arrowhead insignia and placement on the uniform, saucer, secondary hull and nacelle shape of the hero ship, and familiar alien species. Any modern day interpretations of pervious Trek depicted in DSC allows for some creativity and leverages the technology of today and IMHO doesn't invalidate, minimize, or take away from the series that have come before it. Kirk is still a hero whose first love is the lady called Enterprise. Picard remains a diplomat committed to the ideals of the federation. Sisko will still begrudgingly become the savior of the Bajorans and Janeway will still lead her ship home from the delta quadrant. Archer still sees his father's design become reality and leads his crew in humanities first steps to join the larger galactic community.
What's important doesn't change and the characters you've come to love haven't changed. They're all still there for us to enjoy.
I'm not sure what your point is. Discovery has big screens but Picard has a small screen on his desk? Well, so does Georgiou - with data cards.Yeah right! No de-evolution of technology at all!
2250s:
2370s:
DSC is depicted as less streamlined than TNG. But TNG looks like 90s TV. Basically, what you're seeing here is an evolution of set/prop quality and dynamic lighting.
Yeah right! No de-evolution of technology at all!
2250s:
2370s:
The TNG stuff is more compact and more streamlined then DSC's.
That is the evolution.
Picard also had a holo projector on his desk (and I think there was one in the conference lounge?) but they stopped using it because of budget.
I know what you're saying. I am saying "the classic layout but modernized" is exactly what the movie-era sets were.
You're asking them to go back and redo something they already did 30 years ago... that's not unreasonable, just really boring.
And they had one in the briefing room too, which we got to see a couple of times in TNG's first season, most notably in "The Last Outpost"
And Data even carries around a pocket-sized holographic Tasha Yar as a keepsake.
You're kidding right:Yeah right! No de-evolution of technology at all!
2250s:
2370s:
In the two shots the 2370's screen an interface IS much more advanced.
2250ies: Large monochrome screens. Recessed touch pad panels in the console AND physical switches.
2270ies: Full color interface. Everything is a full flat touch panel (nothing recessed into a console) and no physical switches anywhere. the ENTIRE thing could be configured on the fly to be a huge high resolution color screen; or a full color control interface - it's ALL one large reconfigurable fully touch interface.
And any surface, regardless of location, can control any function. For instance, one could theoretically fly the entire ship by using a PADD while walking down a corridor. I doubt that 2250's-era tech has anything remotely like that.
Not really. By basic layout of TOS, I mean one turbolift instead of two, communications behind the captain, science on the captain's four o clock (which TWOK brought back).
It's no more unreasonable than wanting Paramount to lend their Kelvin set. You call it boring, okay, I don't care.
I see your primitive childlike holo projector...
...and I raise you an advanced and modern holo projector:
That crude and archaic technology was alright for its time I guess...
...but if you want all the above options combined with cutting-edge state-of-the-art sophisticated Smart Glass Transparent OLED 3-D Display technology:
Let’s face it guys. When you argue that DSC made TOS obsolete than what you’re really saying is that TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and TOS & TNG movies also became obsolete. The same arguments some people made about the "crude" 1960s aesthetics and technologies leaving TOS out of Trek visual canon & continuity also apply to the 30 year old TNG series as well. But because TNG is so dear to them (just like TOS is to much much more) they can’t accept that!
Personally, i can accept it just fine. I don't expect a tv series made in 2017 to conform to production values and aesthetics of a tv series made 20, 30 or 50 years ago. However, if Discovery does end up capturing the look of TOS with a modern aesthetic, i'm all for it
Same here. I'm glad their trying something different with current production values.
I don't think that's what people were arguing. Well, King Daniel was, but he also thinks everything up to VOY is obsolete too, so at least he's consistent. The rest of us are saying you can use modern production values without contradicting the setting.
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Honestly in all its hokey Sixties 'cool' it IS better than the Discovery bridge. The crew is a tight unit. The Captain is central to the action with his team close. The Discovery bridge is sprawling and too big. It was a mistake in design.
This is really awesome! This is basically the look they should have went for only I would still go with a bigger bridge and maybe even some more computers and less wall.
Jason
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