so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...

[Kor]

TOS is minimalist. That's a defining aspect of modernist design. A typical Apple store has less detail and ornamentation than the TOS bridge, but I don't see anyone complaining that those look cheap.

Kor

 

[Tuskin38]

an Apple Store isn't a functional Starship bridge.

 

[Mechanoid1]

Just a thought:
The more advanced the technology the cleaner and less cluttered the bridge design should be.
Example: a vintage camaro interior vs. A clean tesla interior. ALL the gauges and air vent, knobs are all gone a replaced with just one touch screen. Granted you can really go overboard on the tech visuals, however that would just clutter up the work space.
A cleaner aesthetic to me indicates more of an advancement. So the Disco bridge looks like a cluttered mess to me. The TOS bridge looks much less cluttered and much cleaner hence more advanced.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

I seem to disagree with the prevailing wisdom on both sides of the argument, here. On the one hand, I reject the notion that aesthetics much closer to TOS could not be made to work today. Yet, on the other, I also reject the notion that things should look any closer to TOS a few years earlier in DSC than they did to it a few years later in TMP. A few years is plenty of time for things to look quite different and still not be out of place in the big picture. And in fact, things can readily look different elsewhere even at the very same time as TOS. We only ever saw exactly ONE type of Starfleet ship in all of TOS, and it was specified therein to be rather unique with respect to others.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Just a thought:
The more advanced the technology the cleaner and less cluttered the bridge design should be.

Not necessarily. More advanced technology might require more manpower and more functionality to keep it all working. Technology isn't just ONE THING, there are many different types of technologies that advance at different rates. Just because you have highly advanced phasers, deflector shields, navigation systems and tracking systems doesn't mean you have advanced automation capable of eliminating the four duty stations needed to make those things work together.

 

[zar]

Enterprise(1), A(2), B(3), C(4), D(5), E(6).

I was repurposing the line as a response to "No Trek has been produced that takes place after Enterprise and is clearly set in the original timeline". TOS(1), TAS(2), TNG(3), DS9(4), VOY(5), DSC(6).

 

[NeoStar9]

They're not going to make a 21st century TV show look like it was made in the 1960s.

That is ridiculous.

This. No way is this ever going to happen and they've not even suggested that. Color patterns is one thing but it's not going to look like the old show. I do recall them saying any story issues would line up. This I assume is base don them getting a full run and being able to do that.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

That's pretty much exactly what the Kelinverse movies did, remember? If anything, we'll get something very similar to THAT design, assuming CBS doesn't just strike a deal with Paramount and borrow those sets outright.

I'd go for a more faithful redesign, like stick to the basic layout (having communications directly behind the captain rather than that empty wall in nuTrek), but with modem looking consoles.

nuTrek did its thing in its own timeline, I'd just like to see the Prime sets look relatively familiar but without going all the way 60s pastiche. I would have brought back those nifty little monitors, updated of course.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I'd go for a more faithful redesign, like stick to the basic layout (having communications directly behind the captain rather than that empty wall in nuTrek), but with modem looking consoles.

The "empty looking wall" was first introduced in Wrath of Khan when they moved the environmental station to the back wall and moved the science station off to the side (while in TMP, the science station was directly behind the Captain's chair, which made sense to me, but was apparently really awkward to film). Those two consoles stayed in about the same place when they redid it in TFF, and then in TUC they moved the science and communication consoles inboard of the turbolifts but kept that back wall as an otherwise useless bank of monitors that seem to serve a purpose. On Excelsior and Enterprise-B, this wall had a flashy looking MSD that doesn't seem to do anything but looks pretty cool all the same.

TNG took up this concept somewhat with the lockers on the side of the room and then Voyager stuck an MSD on the back wall. So we've had a long tradition for a while now of the bridge always having at least one wall with nothing on it but some fancy decoration or some sort of device or function that nobody really knows what it's for.

Of course, we recently found out that back wall is actually a launch bay for escape pods, so there goes the mystery...

nuTrek did its thing in its own timeline, I'd just like to see the Prime sets look relatively familiar but without going all the way 60s pastiche.

Once again, you've literally just described the TMP/TFF sets. Those were pretty good, but frankly I'm not looking in having Star Trek show me something I've already seen a million times before.

 

[Tuskin38]

Here's the article where it was said that the colours will evolve as they approach TOS

https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/03/st...k-and-colors-will-evolve-to-be-more-like-tos/

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Here's the article where it was said that the colours will evolve as they approach TOS

https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/03/st...k-and-colors-will-evolve-to-be-more-like-tos/

This is an interesting quote:

As there are two main ships for this series, one of the things is how can we use these sets for two ships. By switching different elements, graphics, paints… The challenge of switching sets over is trying to design things in a way so we can re-purpose so we can go back and forth.

Curious that he says there are "two main ships for the series", considering one of them was effectively destroyed in the second episode. If the shows were filmed in order, there's no need to repurpose the bridge set from Shenzhou to Discovery. I wonder if this means we'll be seeing the ISS Shenzhou in a few episodes?

 

[Kor]

I'd go for a more faithful redesign, like stick to the basic layout (having communications directly behind the captain rather than that empty wall in nuTrek), but with modem looking consoles.

nuTrek did its thing in its own timeline, I'd just like to see the Prime sets look relatively familiar but without going all the way 60s pastiche. I would have brought back those nifty little monitors, updated of course.

I always loved the goose-neck communication screens.

Kor

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The "empty looking wall" was first introduced in Wrath of Khan when they moved the environmental station to the back wall and moved the science station off to the side (while in TMP, the science station was directly behind the Captain's chair, which made sense to me, but was apparently really awkward to film). Those two consoles stayed in about the same place when they redid it in TFF, and then in TUC they moved the science and communication consoles inboard of the turbolifts but kept that back wall as an otherwise useless bank of monitors that seem to serve a purpose. On Excelsior and Enterprise-B, this wall had a flashy looking MSD that doesn't seem to do anything but looks pretty cool all the same.

TNG took up this concept somewhat with the lockers on the side of the room and then Voyager stuck an MSD on the back wall. So we've had a long tradition for a while now of the bridge always having at least one wall with nothing on it but some fancy decoration or some sort of device or function that nobody really knows what it's for.

Of course, we recently found out that back wall is actually a launch bay for escape pods, so there goes the mystery...


Once again, you've literally just described the TMP/TFF sets. Those were pretty good, but frankly I'm not looking in having Star Trek show me something I've already seen a million times before.

I'm aware of the redesigns set in post-TOS Treks, no need to elaborate on those. All I'm saying is that if there's to be an appearance of a Constitution class set in the Prime universe in the 2250s I'd like to see a return of the classic layout but modernized for the 21st century imagination. Pretty simple. Not asking for anything unreasonable.

 

[Tuskin38]

This is an interesting quote:



Curious that he says there are "two main ships for the series", considering one of them was effectively destroyed in the second episode. If the shows were filmed in order, there's no need to repurpose the bridge set from Shenzhou to Discovery. I wonder if this means we'll be seeing the ISS Shenzhou in a few episodes?

The Shenzhou's bridge was reused last week for the Gagarin's bridge IIRC.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

an Apple Store isn't a functional Starship bridge.

Don't tell JJ n crew that lol

 

[Tuskin38]

Don't tell JJ n crew that lol

The Kelvin Connie bridge looks nothing like an apple store.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

It was a running joke about the Kelvin movies E bridge.....

I thought the actual Kelvin bridge n interiors were great

 

[Jayson1]

I seem to disagree with the the prevailing wisdom on both sides of the argument, here. On the one hand, I reject the notion that aesthetics much closer to TOS could not be made to work today. Yet, on the other, I also reject the notion that things should look any closer to TOS a few years earlier in DSC than they did to it a few years later in TMP. A few years is plenty of time for things to look quite different and still not be out of place in the big picture. And in fact, things can readily look different elsewhere even at the very same time as TOS. We only ever saw exactly ONE type of Starfleet ship in all of TOS, and it was specified therein to be rather unique with respect to others.

That to me is why you don't go full 60's but simply add a few more touches with each season to show a change is happening but we the audience won't be watching once it goes completely into looking like the 60's. I think more and more tech easter eggs combined with turning on the lights and colored uniforms that use the same colors of the old uniforms, even if said uniforms are different looking in ever other way, is enough. All you really need for the Klingons is a few human looking one's as extra's or a reference to the Augment virus still being part of their culture and it basically solves the entire issue without even having to do drastic changes to the main look because even some of this stuff can be pushed off into the later seasons of the show or even the series final.

Jason

 

[Nightowl1701]

Curious that he says there are "two main ships for the series", considering one of them was effectively destroyed in the second episode. If the shows were filmed in order, there's no need to repurpose the bridge set from Shenzhou to Discovery. I wonder if this means we'll be seeing the ISS Shenzhou in a few episodes?

I think what he meant was the Discovery and the Klingon sarcophagus ship.

 

[zar]

I think more and more tech easter eggs combined with turning on the lights and colored uniforms that use the same colors of the old uniforms, even if said uniforms are different looking in ever other way, is enough.

Lorca will update the uniform to this first:

Then they can turn on the lights.