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What would you change about this series?

It's not just about this particular thread. And when the thing that somebody would like to "change" about the series is to outright cancel it, then that's going far beyond constructive improvements to the show. :shrug:

Kor

It didn't say I had to be constructive :) Without canceling it they should make it an episode by episode show. It looks nothing like a ship of that time, I would prefer an explanation be given for that rather than leaving it up to us to compartmentalize it all as making perfect sense. They can either call it a reboot or have a constitution ship shown in the original series that looks like one from TOS and have a conversation about why the discrepancies exist. There's a bunch of characters on the bridge that we don't know anything about, more character development needed there.

I intend to keep watching the show. It's possible it'll improve.
 
I think that the only thing that I would change that I would have tried to provide an aesthetic for the show that invoked TOS a little more than the one they have now. Maybe something similar to the Kelvin movies. However, this is hardly a deal-breaker.
 
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When Stamets first used the spore drive, it looked like he had bullet wounds in his abdomen. I was totally confused. I thought "What the heck kind of hypospray was that?"

I realised later that it wasn't the hypospray, but the machine that brutally stabs you with giant screwdrivers every time you saddle up.

How is this machine supposed to work? Does Stamets see a galactic map in his mind? Or does someone else navigate when he is in there?
 
Looking back, what I would change is probably the pilot, at least the way it was presented. It serves as a prologue, and once Michael gets on the DSC it's when the story really starts. In retrospect, I think a better start for the series would have been Context and that we learn through flashbacks what really happened on the Shenzhou. Minor issue though, love everything about DSC.
 
The only thing I might consider changing would be the Klingons speaking Klingon. I don't give a shit about their design, since Trek is constantly redesigning Klingons. But the stilted speech and all caps sub titles could have been made less difficult to follow if they'd gone with the convention of speaking "english" via the universal translator over a short amount of time.
 
Just saw (sorry, struggled through) the first two episodes of STD (appropriate title acronym by the way).

What can I say.......?

Its like Coca Cola has just started selling a new sour plum flavoured juice in a new design can but still called it "Coca Cola".

Some consumers insist that regardless of the fact that everything is different it's still Coca Cola.

While others ask how much you can change a brand /property before it ceases to still be itself.

What to change?

Deliver the Cage era Prime universe series originally discussed and return the wonder, positivity, exploration and mystery that Trek is founded on.
 
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Just saw (sorry, struggled through) the first two episodes of STD (appropriate title acronym by the way).

What can I say.......?

Its like Coca Cola has just started selling a new sour plum flavoured juice in a new design can but still called it "Coca Cola".

Some consumers insist that regardless of the fact that everything is different it's still Coca Cola.

While others ask how much you can change a brand /property before it ceases to still be itself.

What to change?

Deliver the Cage era Prime universe series originally discussed and return the wonder, positivity, exploration and mystery that Trek is founded on.

Whatever you do, please don't "struggle through" any more episodes. You will only be further frustrated.
 
Whatever you do, please don't "struggle through" any more episodes. You will only be further frustrated.
Vger23 appreciate your advice, although I had reached that conclusion after those two episodes of STD.
So much so that I needed to immediately watch some recuperating 1st season TOS episodes as an antidote.
Contrary to (maybe) common belief I don't wanna be restricted to just watching old TOS on DVD or Netflix, but since we only now have a choice between either action movie Trek or grimdark Trek, I seem to have to remain in the (wonderful but limited) past.

Must be getting old........... .......!?
 
The showrunners have gone on record multiple times saying the war arc concludes at the end of S1.
 
I've heard the war is just for season one
Makes sense to me: T'Kuvma's push for unity was dead almost as soon as it started, and I don't think Kol has "the juice" - the other houses are doing what they need to get the cloak, but that's not *real* loyalty motivated by a true cause like T'Kuvma was trying to give them. They'll be in-fighting in 3..2..
The only thing I might consider changing would be the Klingons speaking Klingon. I don't give a shit about their design, since Trek is constantly redesigning Klingons. But the stilted speech and all caps sub titles could have been made less difficult to follow if they'd gone with the convention of speaking "english" via the universal translator over a short amount of time.
I agree 99%. That 1% of disagreement is that I'm pretty sure that if they hadn't done the Klingon dialog in Klingon like they have, my family and friends would have been deprived of a difficult-to-explain-if-you-weren't-there ongoing bit about how T'Kuvma loved grape push pops. :D
Its like Coca Cola has just started selling a new sour plum flavoured juice in a new design can but still called it "Coca Cola".
If they did that, I might start drinking a bit of Coca Cola again. I used to love Coke when I was younger, but I'm getting older now. My tastes have matured, and my dietary requirements have changed and become something which requires much more thought.

This is both true, and a relevant metaphor. ;)
 
Well, you see. It's. ...for starters, it's really, really long. And when I say it, it feels more than a little pretentious. Is it from a famous poem? Bible verse? Or did they make it up? If they made it up, it's even more pretentious.

Oh, and it doesn't make sense! The lamb doesn't cry. It's either put out by a machine, or the butcher ....well it dies swiftly. Then the butcher proceeds to separate and package the meat.

How about
"The wolf cares not for the lamb's cry"

That halfway improves it, and even shortens it...
The lamb represents the tardigrade.

The butcher's knife represents Lorca and Landry wanting to exploit the tardigrade to develop new weapons and armor technologies from it regardless of the cost to the creature itself. It's been imprisoned in a tiny cell when it used to roam free, and Landry is literally going to chop a piece off of it for testing.

They don't call Lorca and Landry the butcher because to do so would be to humanize them and open them up to the possibility of feeling remorse for their actions, when the point being made is that they've been so damaged by the war that they have lost their basic humanity and have become little more than weapons themselves; the knives. They are devoid of empathy or concern for this clearly sapient creature and care only about how they and the Federation war effort can benefit from it. The butcher's knife cares not for the lamb's cry. Lorca and Landry care not for the tardigrade's cries of anguish as long as it feeds the war effort.

Burnham can fall into the same trap at this point when she's discovered that the tardigrade can actually serve as the navigational system for the spore drive. She can simply exploit the tardigrade for the benefit of the war effort by painfully plugging it into the ship's drive systems, but she realizes that doing so harms the creature and is horrified by this fact and how her discovery has inflicted pain on this sapient being. So, because she is undergoing a redemptive arc, she decides to set out to reclaim her essential humanity by determining to talk to Lorca about finding an alternate means of navigating the spore drive. This carries over into the next episode when Lorca is captured and Saru now faces the same dilemma of exploiting the tardigrade for the purpose of retrieving the captain.

Saru, as befits his somewhat wishy-washy, non-confrontational, herd mentality character, hedges and chooses to exploit the creature despite Burnham's objections, causing it harm, but before he can do it again Stamet's takes the choice out of his hands and hooks himself up to the spore drive after injecting tardigrade DNA instead. But eventually even Saru makes the right choice (unknowingly after it's a moot point, but still...) thus allowing him to join Burnham on her redemption arc and not succumbing to Lorca and Landry's failing of losing themselves and their humanity (or Saru's equivalent) to the war.

Calling it a wolf instead of a butcher would imply that something is being hunted and this is just the natural circle of life. The tardigrade is penned in a small cell behind metal alloyed walls and forcefields. They cut into it with special armor piercing blades and stun it with gas and phasers. They hook it up to machines to hold it in place and pierce its hide to inject/remove DNA. There's nothing natural about this. It's a technological reaping.

As far as lambs not screaming before the slaughter, tell that to Clariiiiiiiice. I wouldn't be surprised if that influenced their choice of title.
 
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Well, I mean, aside from the fact that you just, in great and lavish detail, spoiled an entire episode in a thread with no spoiler tags, and without using spoiler tags, yep, you're entirely on the money that the Federation may or may not use.

:p
 
Ditch the whole klingon war arc.

I'm being serious.
"A disgraced Starfleet officer gets a chance to redeem herself aboard a mysterious starship with a secret mission because of her special skill set is needed" is already a pretty strong over-arching plot, and enough to establish characters and story.

The klingon war arc doesn't add anything to the story - it's only confusing, because we didn't have neough exposition at this point and nothing is well established until now (more than a quarter of the arc in). We don't know how big the war is, who's winning or losing, how big the fleets are, how big the casualties are... NOTHING! The only thing it adds is the action-quota every week, but it's a giant sacrifice on world-building and believability. The war should have been an arc in a later season, after the universe and the strengths of each side and the characters are already well established.
 
Ditch the whole klingon war arc.

I'm being serious.
"A disgraced Starfleet officer gets a chance to redeem herself aboard a mysterious starship with a secret mission because of her special skill set is needed" is already a pretty strong over-arching plot, and enough to establish characters and story.

The klingon war arc doesn't add anything to the story - it's only confusing, because we didn't have neough exposition at this point and nothing is well established until now (more than a quarter of the arc in). We don't know how big the war is, who's winning or losing, how big the fleets are, how big the casualties are... NOTHING! The only thing it adds is the action-quota every week, but it's a giant sacrifice on world-building and believability. The war should have been an arc in a later season, after the universe and the strengths of each side and the characters are already well established.

I think this is a rather fair assessment. While the war and action quotient don't bother me at all...I also concede that the LACK of those elements probably wouldn't bother me either.

I think the "war" gives the writers a fall-back position...something to base smaller stories around. I also think it gives Lorca's character life (which I admit makes it worth it if true).

But otherwise, I believe your assessment has merit.
 
To answer the question posed...right now (and this has been discussed in other threads), I do wish they'd get out a little more. Get down to a planet or two. Go on some away missions.

That would be a huge step in the right direction for me.

Right now, it feels very much like a bottle show each week.
 
Tonight's episode is a bottle show, too. I think it will be like "cause and effect" but
has Mudd boarding the ship, each time loop with a different outcome.
 
Vger23 appreciate your advice, although I had reached that conclusion after those two episodes of STD.
So much so that I needed to immediately watch some recuperating 1st season TOS episodes as an antidote.
Contrary to (maybe) common belief I don't wanna be restricted to just watching old TOS on DVD or Netflix, but since we only now have a choice between either action movie Trek or grimdark Trek, I seem to have to remain in the (wonderful but limited) past.

Must be getting old........... .......!?

Honestly, the characterization of DSC as dark and grim feels as inaccurate here as it was for DS9 back in the day. The characters might be a bit more serious and complex, but there is still humor and that optimistic Trek spirit and people who are trying to grow and better themselves. We're not exactly talking something grim like BSG or The Leftovers here.
 
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