Not grandpa Campbell. I was referring to Grandpa Winchester..the Man of Letters who travelled from the past to Sam & Dean's present,thereby leaving John Winchester without a Dad.
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Ah, Henry. Okay.
I still don't think Dean went to the future. Angel construct for manipulation, for sure. They were trying to trick Dean into saying yes. He never said yes, and that future didn't happen. Does anyone actually think "Mystery Spot" was using time travel, and not a fantasy world construct on repeat?
I do think there is room to think Dean did indeed go to the future, that wouldn't happen, because in that future, Lucifer said Sam would say yes in Detroit. And that is indeed where it happened in "SWAN SONG".
Sam and Dean also traveled to an alternate dimension in season 6. In that dimension, magic didn't work, and they were actors on a tv show.
Dean: No, seriously. Why? Why would anybody want to watch our lives?
Sam: Well, I mean, according to that interviewer, not very many people do. Look, I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm just saying, we -- we landed in some dimension where you're Jensen Ackles, and I'm something called a 'Jared Padalecki.'
Dean: So what, now you're polish? Is any of this making any sense to you?
Dean: No, seriously. Why? Why would anybody want to watch our lives?
Sam: Well, I mean, according to that interviewer, not very many people do. Look, I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm just saying, we -- we landed in some dimension where you're Jensen Ackles, and I'm something called a 'Jared Padalecki.'
Dean: So what, now you're polish? Is any of this making any sense to you?
"THE FRENCH MISTAKE", one of my favorite episodes.
(Dean) "I'm a painted whore."
(Dean) "I'm a painted whore."
Still not convinced that wasn't another angel construct warded from magic working or something. If magic didn't work there... how could they have escaped?
It couldn't have been the future.... since that was on a timeline where Dean wasn't going to ever say yes. So they tried to trick him to say yes. Which was why they made him experience that "future." Hoping to get him to say yes. And it backfired, reinforcing his no. There was never going to be a future without Adam/Mike taking the role (the backup plan) OR Dean taking the role.
It couldn't have been the future.... since that was on a timeline where Dean wasn't going to ever say yes. So they tried to trick him to say yes. Which was why they made him experience that "future." Hoping to get him to say yes. And it backfired, reinforcing his no. There was never going to be a future without Adam/Mike taking the role (the backup plan) OR Dean taking the role.
Looking forward to seeing Missouri again. I hope she continues to bust Dean's chops.
Yes, I'm familiar with the time travel episodes and the similarities with science fiction themes. The sci-fi theme of having alternate worlds seems to cheapen or lessen the importance of certain well-established characters and concepts. Star Trek and other shows are different because one has to consider the existence of a multiverse or alternate timelines. Is there going to be an alternate-God too? That would be contradictory to the concept of one universal deity, and I'm sure the show's premise is based on Judeo-Christian myth. An alternate-Dean? Alternate-Sam? Alternate-Crowley? Where does it end?
Sam and Dean were never born, most everyone else is dead, and Crowley never took over hell. None of them are going to be seen.....
New episode tonight, with the return of Missouri, the psychic.
Well, drat. I was hoping Missouri was going to be back for good. On the plus side, we get our first look at Cas in the...er...wherever angels go when they die.
I'd say there's a pretty good chance that's The Empty. Delightfully trippy. Not quite how I expected them to approach it--I figured either Patience or Missouri would be trying to get a read on the Wraith, then touch Dean and somehow get a flash of Cas.
I've been thinking about this...everything we've heard suggests Cas isn't alone, and considering Billie is supposedly there too, I'm guessing their both being trapped there is the consequence of his breaking the reaper deal and being the one to kill her.
I've been thinking about this...everything we've heard suggests Cas isn't alone, and considering Billie is supposedly there too, I'm guessing their both being trapped there is the consequence of his breaking the reaper deal and being the one to kill her.
I enjoyed this episode.
While I completely understand Dean's sentiments about Jack, I think that will end up doing much more harm than good. Ironically, I think it will be Dean's behavior that motivates Jack to be good more than what Sam has been doing, if for no other reason than to prove him wrong.
And that has to be the Big Empty... I wonder if that is where everything goes when it dies for good, like angels, Reapers, demons. Maybe even monsters in Purgatory when they get killed in there.
Which always made me wonder... do the mobsters die for good when they are killed in Purgatory, or do they just respawn in another part of Purgatory like they are in a live action version of Wolfenstein, Duke Nuke 'Em, or Doom?
While I completely understand Dean's sentiments about Jack, I think that will end up doing much more harm than good. Ironically, I think it will be Dean's behavior that motivates Jack to be good more than what Sam has been doing, if for no other reason than to prove him wrong.
And that has to be the Big Empty... I wonder if that is where everything goes when it dies for good, like angels, Reapers, demons. Maybe even monsters in Purgatory when they get killed in there.
Which always made me wonder... do the mobsters die for good when they are killed in Purgatory, or do they just respawn in another part of Purgatory like they are in a live action version of Wolfenstein, Duke Nuke 'Em, or Doom?
^ I'm afraid to expect too much, but it would be nice if they started to tie up some things, like Billie, Death, etc. I'm really interested to see what they do with Castiel's return.
I'm just relieved it's not going to be Mirror Cass.
I can't believe they brought back Missouri after thirteen years just to kill her off. Why do they keep doing that? Damn it!
Other than that, I did mostly like the episode. I don't mind Sam and Dean fighting over Jack, because both of their positions are understandable-- Dean is kind of stupid for saying these things right in front of the kid, but this is the guy who's so broken that he prayed to Chuck to bring back Crowley while punching his knuckles raw against a wall. And I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who can relate to sitting in the dark listening to their parents fight over them, so it's a pretty strong metaphor.
And it did make me pretty excited for The Jody Show. I like Patience. She's cute and she ripped the spike off a Wraith.
I can't believe they brought back Missouri after thirteen years just to kill her off. Why do they keep doing that? Damn it!
Other than that, I did mostly like the episode. I don't mind Sam and Dean fighting over Jack, because both of their positions are understandable-- Dean is kind of stupid for saying these things right in front of the kid, but this is the guy who's so broken that he prayed to Chuck to bring back Crowley while punching his knuckles raw against a wall. And I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who can relate to sitting in the dark listening to their parents fight over them, so it's a pretty strong metaphor.
And it did make me pretty excited for The Jody Show. I like Patience. She's cute and she ripped the spike off a Wraith.
Yeah, I REALLY wish Missouri could've at least stuck around for MOST of the episode, instead of getting killed right away.
Me, too! I'm looking forward to the Jodie show. Patience seems like a good character--a teen who ISN'T totally annoying. Although it is kinda funny that the "high-schooler" looks 26 years old.
Me, too! I'm looking forward to the Jodie show. Patience seems like a good character--a teen who ISN'T totally annoying. Although it is kinda funny that the "high-schooler" looks 26 years old.
Ah, yes. What Billie referred to. Must also be where missing socks from the dryer go. So she's the culprit...
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