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Discovery Renewed for Season 2

I honestly don't care what it's about, as long as it's well written and well delivered. I'd be Ok with Khan, if it didn't suck.
 
I hope they can get out from under the burden of dark, serious, "premium cable" serialization and deliver us something more adventurous and charming. There's been about 20 minutes of the Shenzhou crew doing their thing in the pilot and now Michael and Tilly exercising that hit the tone I'm hoping for.
 
But could be soooo bad.

Oh, no doubt about it. I mean, with all the mixed messages they've sent about what, actually, Starfleet is (military, constabulary, coast guard, NOAA-like organisation, all of the above...), there's no guarantee that they wouldn't, somehow, manage to screw up the mission of an group no one in their right mind should be confused about. Marines are...Marines. An armed force specializing in amphibious and littoral operations.

I just keep getting these weird flashes of Chris Pike trying to convince some poor schmuck that "The Starfleet Marines are a peacekeeping armada..." and shivering.

I suppose, in a sense, it could be true. But...

But man, what potential...
 
Oh, no doubt about it. I mean, with all the mixed messages they've sent about what, actually, Starfleet is (military, constabulary, coast guard, NOAA-like organisation, all of the above...), there's no guarantee that they wouldn't, somehow, manage to screw up the mission of an group no one in their right mind should be confused about. Marines are...Marines. An armed force specializing in amphibious and littoral operations.

I just keep getting these weird flashes of Chris Pike trying to convince some poor schmuck that "The Starfleet Marines are a peacekeeping armada..." and shivering.

I suppose, in a sense, it could be true. But...

But man, what potential...

This must be when/where they founded the "red shirts"

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There has also been a long term tendency to use the terms "Federation" and "Starfleet" interchangeably in ways that we wouldn't say, oh, "the Navy" and "The United States." That fuzzes issues, sometimes disturbingly.
 
There has also been a long term tendency to use the terms "Federation" and "Starfleet" interchangeably in ways that we wouldn't say, oh, "the Navy" and "The United States." That fuzzes issues, sometimes disturbingly.

Could depend on perspective,

I mean I get the difference between the navy and the usa,

but I'm sure if the navy launched a missile that killed some average joe desert dweller by "mistake" that person's family probably would think it synonymous enough.
 
There has also been a long term tendency to use the terms "Federation" and "Starfleet" interchangeably in ways that we wouldn't say, oh, "the Navy" and "The United States." That fuzzes issues, sometimes disturbingly.

You know, if one accepts that the bland uniformity of TNG-era humanity could only be the product of some kind of social brainwashing, the conflating of the military with the state becomes even more unsettling.
 
Because there is a small but VERY vocal group of Trek fans who HATTEEEEE Discovery and shit on it at every opportunity. They also in the next breath praise The Orville for being REAL Star Trek because they are stuck in the past and blinded by nostalgia and pseudo-TNG aesthetics. I think some of them just spite-watch The Orville.

If Orville doesn't get renewed for Season 2 and Discovery does, they'll shit a brick.

I don't know about the size of such a group but I understand what I think is the main point point of criticism concerning STD: the series is badly written. The presence of Orville or nostalgia does not change that view.

Given that, my guess is that what should keep the show afloat is funding from Netflix and a global audience. In general, though, it will be a subscription scheme to a variety of TV shows and movies, which means several TV shows may continue no matter how badly they are written as long as subscribers continue paying, if only for other shows.
 
It's a product isn't it? That's what it's come down to. Something with a ticket price on it. I guess there's always been an element of that with regular network TV. Obviously scheduling and sponsors take note of viewership and ratings figures. Mind you that is very specific to performance, how a show compares with others in its time slot.

Simple revenue counting from subscriptions (Netflix) is good in a way for Discovery as it gives it a chance.. a budget. The writing is neither here nor there.
 
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