Discovery Renewed for Season 2

[Tim Thomason]

We've had our differences, to be sure, but I could not agree more with this. I almost replied earlier to the guy who said "Enterprise failed" by saying "In what universe? Enterprise got four seasons, which if you didn't notice is the same as a number of respected TV series and three more seasons than Firefly!"

Enterprise was cancelled. They didn't want just four seasons. Same with the original Star Trek and the animated version. Three out of six series were able to end on their own merit after seven years, an abnormally high percentage for TV series (65% are cancelled after the first season - which has never happened with Star Trek).

 

[Longinus]

Ya know, why not? I have cryptically dropped several hints about this several times on this forum and no one caught on. Lol. I've heard this from several sources now, so spilling the beans won't get any one person in trouble. Now, mind you, what I'm going to say was in consideration late summer 2016. So I don't know if these plans are still concrete. Also, possible SPOILERS IN THE PARAGRAPH BELOW.

Spoiler: Season 2 Discovery Spoilers

Last I heard (late summer 2016) CBS is considering having the Enterprise show up in some fashion at the end of Season 2 in an episode of Discovery. This will launch a spin-off show about the Enterprise's missions under Pike that will air during Discovery's downtime and visa versa. Whether this is still CBS's strategy going forward...I don't know. Maybe they've changed their mind now and will do something else. This was just the last information I heard which may or may not still be accurate.

<Spoiler tag added by cultcross - that's big enough to deserve two warnings >

Wait what, are you serious? This is huge! Why there is no thread about this on 'Future of Trek' section?

 

[Delaware123]

Wait what, are you serious? This is huge! Why there is no thread about this on 'Future of Trek' section?

Please, no more prequels.

 

[Prax]

I wonder if that would start before or after the Lorca origins series.

 

[Mudd]

Please, no more prequels.

Since they now have nine years of "prequels" outperforming every 24th century show produced prior to that - other than perhaps TNG - there is no reason for them to choose to do anything other than another prequel.

 

[Noname Given]

Eh? When did this happen?

probably after the Paramount/Bad Robot 3 picture deal contract was concluded. I say that because the CBS Consumer Products Page now list the three JJ-Verse Films under properties they control:
http://www.cbsconsumerproducts.com/properties.html
and
http://www.cbsconsumerproducts.com/startrek/star_trek_original.html

both show CBS is the one to contact for Licensee inquires.

 

[BillJ]

Please, no more prequels.

And no more fanwank.

 

[Prax]

Since they now have nine years of "prequels" outperforming every 24th century show produced prior to that - other than perhaps TNG - there is no reason for them to choose to do anything other than another prequel.

???
Enterprise did the most poorly of all the shows, and Discovery is an unknown quantity. The reboots were big budget films and are at the bottom of the movie scale when comparing amount invested to profit earned.

 

[Turtletrekker]

We've had our differences, to be sure, but I could not agree more with this. I almost replied earlier to the guy who said "Enterprise failed" by saying "In what universe? Enterprise got four seasons, which if you didn't notice is the same as a number of respected TV series and three more seasons than Firefly!"

If the show had been called Star Trek Firefly and had been about civilians out beyond the Federation Frontier trying to make their own way or some such, it would have lasted longer. Brand recognition counts for a lot. So does scheduling, and FOX really screwed the pooch on that one, but I digress.

However, speaking just for myself, there were more memorable moments in those 14 episodes and a movie of Firefly then there were in the first three seasons of Enterprise combined.

Quality over quantity. Success does not equate to quality. Look at Honey Boo Boo.

 

[BillJ]

The reboots were big budget films and are at the bottom of the movie scale when comparing amount invested to profit earned.

And sold more tickets than any other Trek film, except perhaps TMP.

 

[Prax]

They darn well better when pouring 2-300 million dollars+ into each of them. The rest of the movies never came close to what was spent on the new ones.

 

[iliescu]

Awesome, this saga does the impossible once more.

 

[BillJ]

The rest of the movies never came close to what was spent on the new ones.

Just a different ballgame now. Competition is far more intense than it has ever been.

 

[Albinator]

???
Enterprise did the most poorly of all the shows, and Discovery is an unknown quantity. The reboots were big budget films and are at the bottom of the movie scale when comparing amount invested to profit earned.

Enterprise wasn't an out-and-out failure, but it wasn't really a success either. It coasted along on name recognition and a diehard fanbase, and on any other network would never have survived its first season (then again on another network it might have done better).

The show was "on the bubble" after every season. Recall it was originally simply titled "ENTERPRISE" as they felt he Star Trek name was damaged following poor ratings for DS9 and VOY, only to reverse course in the third season due to even lower ratings!

Creatively, we can argue back and forth whether it was good or bad, but the fact is that it was never really well-reviewed, with some praise for the premiere and a few mixed responses to the 3rd and 4th season changes.

 

[urbandefault]

It appears ALL 'Star Trek' rights now belong to CBS again (even the JJ Verse film right now); Paramount was/is probably paying a license fee at this point.

Eh? When did this happen?

probably after the Paramount/Bad Robot 3 picture deal contract was concluded. I say that because the CBS Consumer Products Page now list the three JJ-Verse Films under properties they control:
http://www.cbsconsumerproducts.com/properties.html
and
http://www.cbsconsumerproducts.com/startrek/star_trek_original.html

both show CBS is the one to contact for Licensee inquires.

Around 2006(?), when Sumner Redstone split CBS and Paramount from under the big giant Viacom umbrella.

It's still one big family, but CBS owns Star Trek. All of it. Even the novels by Pocket Books, under the Simon and Schuster brand, which is a subsidiary of CBS. Paramount just 'holds' the rights to make Trek theatrical films.

I thought this was all old news.

 

[Mudd]

???
Enterprise did the most poorly of all the shows, and Discovery is an unknown quantity. The reboots were big budget films and are at the bottom of the movie scale when comparing amount invested to profit earned.

Why does everyone talk about Enterprise?

That show ended longer than 9 years ago, so obviously I wasn't referring to it.

And of course CBS considers Discovery a success.

 

[urbandefault]

And of course CBS considers Discovery a success.

Because, financially, it is. Fan blahblahblah aside, it's paid for itself in distribution as evidenced by renewal for a second season.

Disco Lives.

 

[Prax]

Why does everyone talk about Enterprise?

That show ended longer than 9 years ago, so obviously I wasn't referring to it.

And of course CBS considers Discovery a success.

You said prequels outperform every 24th century series prior. Well, there's only one prequel series that we can even make that assessment of, Enterprise, which didn't. The only other prequel series has just begun, and we can't even begin to assess it's "performance." There's yet no public information on it.

The reboot films, which technically aren't prequels, are in a totally different category and can't really be compared to the previous shows, but the last one may have lost money.

 

[Ithekro]

Somewhat interesting that UPN basically lived and died with Star Trek. First flagship show was Voyager. And in the end, once Enterprise was cancelled, UPN went off the air a year or so later.

I'd lost interest in television by then anyway and was only seeing Enterprise on tape and not watching anything else that was current. And the new things I was watching weren't even from American TV at all and over the Internet.

 

[Mudd]

You said prequels outperform every 24th century series prior.

For fuck's sake I did not.

Since they now have nine years of "prequels" outperforming every 24th century show produced prior to that...

In the past nine years (since production began on the first Abrams movie) they have produced three feature films that take place in the 23rd century, and one TV series, Discovery.

When the possibility of another 23rd century show was brought up, someone responded "no more prequels."

Now, if you want to split hairs and argue that Beyond "wasn't really a prequel" rather than admitting that you dragged in Enterprise all on your own because you don't read what people actually write, knock yourself out.

the last one may have lost money.

"May have."

In fact you have no accurate idea of what the studio's accounting is on any of these movies. What we can know is what the total box office is on them, and the three Abrams movies sit at the top of Trek's box office history. No 24th century-based film ever broke one hundred million.