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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

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It is really difficult to understand the sentiment that some seem to have: "I hate something, therefore you must hate it as well."

Who's saying that?

I'm saying that STD is not a very good TV series. It's a bog-standard, undistinguished time-killer of the kind that the CBS network specializes in: CSI, Blue Bloods, Scorpion, Hawaii Five-O, take your pick. The corporation craps this stuff out.
 
What an absurd counterargument.
What's absurd about it? In order for me to claim that you are incompetent, I need to be able to point to something you are doing or failing to do that is fundamentally incompatible with successful performance of your job. If I'm saying you're an incompetent accountant, it means I can show someone all the accounting mistakes you made in a given period and explain why those WERE mistakes and not just normal business practice. If I'm saying you're an incompetent police officer, it means I can show someone all the ways you violated normal police procedure, all the times you failed to implement your training, and all of the actions you took that made you or your fellow officers unable to properly carry out their duty.

IOW, the only reliable way to recognize an incompetent person is to compare them to a competent person.

If you're saying someone is an incompetent writer, then you're saying you're able to demonstrate what COMPETENT writing actually looks like and explain why the two are different.

I sure hope you waive the right to criticize anything you don't have the means to do better at yourself.
As a rule, I do. Criticism should be constructive, or at the very least, an attempt to draw valid comparisons between equivalent situations. Criticizing something just to be critical is an exercise in jackassery, and criticizing something you couldn't possibly improve upon if you had the chance to is the PINNACLE of jackassery.

Better not ever return a broken appliance because you sure can't build one better than a factory...
Of course I'll return a broken appliance. But I will certainly refrain from writing an angry letter to the manufacturer accusing him of "incompetent manufacturing" unless I know for a fact he did something wrong, and I know WHAT he did wrong. I was actually delighted that I was able to do this when I returned a box of LED lights to a manufacturer because they all had the same defect; all five of them had the wrong resister on their boards and it was making their touch sensors overly sensitive to changes in battery current (thus the lights would start behaving erratically when the batteries were halfway drained). It was obvious they hadn't done enough product testing on these, especially after so many people had complained about this issue that they SHOULD have figured this out by now and changed the resisters.

But me... I'm a published author. I have degrees in computer science and technical writing. I've written screenplays, manuscripts, consulted on textbooks and corporate handbooks. And I know FOR A FACT that I'm not qualified to write screenplays for Star Trek: Discovery, let alone judge whether or not their scripts -- which none of us have ever actually read -- were written competently.

Question is: Why do YOU think you're qualified for this?
 
The difference between Adama and Lorca is that Adama always treated his moral bargains as a regrettable necessity. Lorca acts like morals are stupid to begin with.
That's because Lorca's an asshole. This latest episode came perilously close to portraying him as an antihero, which is kind of interesting, but on the whole he's mainly just a classic Jerkass Protagonist.

It's like, yeah, this is probably how real humans would behave in the Star Trek universe. That's all well and good but why the hell should I root for the protagonists if they are neither morally better nor interesting enough to make me want to root for the bad guy.
I don't think we're supposed to be rooting for Lorca. I think we're supposed to be rooting for Stamets and Burnham and are supposed to recognize that Saru sort of dropped the ball on this one but eventually made good on it by letting Ripper go.
 
So why was L'Rell on that prison ship instead of wherever we last saw her with Voq?
Also I didn't realize it was L'Rell until I checked Memory-Alpha, she seemed to act like a completely different character too (she didn't strike me as a sedistress with a human fetish). :shrug:
That assumes that Tyler is human and not, as it were, a surgically altered Voq:shifty:
 
Who's saying that?

I'm saying that STD is not a very good TV series. It's a bog-standard, undistinguished time-killer of the kind that the CBS network specializes in: CSI, Blue Bloods, Scorpion, Hawaii Five-O, take your pick. The corporation craps this stuff out.

Last time i checked, Fox was a corporation, aren't they responsible for The Orville? The Orville is a good show but, If it wasn't for the dick jokes it wouldn't be that different from TNG. It is hardly original or revolutionary. I'm not saying that Discovery is either, far from it. But, what is nowadays?

Stop implying that anyone who likes things that you don't is some type of intellectual halfwit. I personally don't like any of those series that you listed and so I don't watch them but that doesn't make me feel intellectually superior to anyone else. You don't like Discovery, cool, I respect your choice. Why is it so difficult for you to respect other people's choice to like Discovery?
 
That is so very well said.

It is really difficult to understand the sentiment that some seem to have: "I hate something, therefore you must hate it as well."
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I really did not like the first season of TNG. Guess what? I don't watch it.
What, NONE of it? You don't even like "The Arsenal of Freedom"???

Do you even Star Trek, bro?:crazy:

What positive purpose would there be for me to just go into an area where obviously most of the people like it and try to demand that they hate it?
I've been asking that question since 2008.
 
Last time i checked, Fox was a corporation, aren't they responsible for The Orville? The Orville is a good show but, If it wasn't for the dick jokes it wouldn't be that different from TNG. It is hardly original or revolutionary. I'm not saying that Discovery is either, far from it. But, what is nowadays?

Stop implying that anyone who likes things that you don't is some type of intellectual halfwit. I personally don't like any of those series that you listed and so I don't watch them but that doesn't make me feel intellectually superior to anyone else. You don't like Discovery, cool, I respect your choice. Why is it so difficult for you to respect other people's choice to like Discovery?

Because you are an irredeemable, slack-jawed, intellectually devoid, blind, drooling, beef-witted applejohn if you don't see things my way, because DSC is literally the most insulting, awful, pandering, Ill-conceived piece of fiction presented in any medium in the history of the human race. Obviously if you had any sophistication or taste (like ME), you'd know this...but I'll take my time explaining it to you, since I know you struggle with comprehension.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch DSC again so I can be better equipped to point out how awful it is in a witty, snarky, condescending fashion to anyone in this sub forum who hasn't already hit the "ignore" button on me.

Good day.





:angel:;)
 
Because you are an irredeemable, slack-jawed, intellectually devoid, blind, drooling, beef-witted applejohn if you don't see things my way, because DSC is literally the most insulting, awful, pandering, Ill-conceived piece of fiction presented in any medium in the history of the human race. Obviously if you had any sophistication or taste (like ME), you'd know this...but I'll take my time explaining it to you, since I know you struggle with comprehension.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch DSC again so I can be better equipped to point out how awful it is in a witty, snarky, condescending fashion to anyone in this sub forum who hasn't already hit the "ignore" button me.

Good day.





:angel:;)

Pretty sure this sums up us discovery fans:

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Sex with a Klingon cannot be safe because Starfleet Medical is a century behind in cataloguing Klingon social diseases, and how a human (others too) would react to communicating with unknown genital viruses and fungi... Oh? Did I say fungus?

Tyler should be in quarantine, or failing that, locked into chastity with a transparent aluminium cockbox, or failing that, black listed on the public address system as a dirty man possibly full of Deadly Klingon stds.

It's just something stupid to have told Lorca.
 
Hey now, I've been called unreasonable, irrational, immoral and not a true Trek fan elsewhere for being okay with some of the choices made by the writers and producers, but I've never been called slack-jawed! How dare you accuse me of drool! :angryrazz::wah::rommie:

Fret not my good fellow, someone accused me of being a "traitor to humanity" for my choice to pay for CBSAA because "if we'd all just boycott...they'd learn a lesson and put the show on the network for free." And so it is "idiots like me" that ruin life for others.

I immediately went and bought another subscription. Just out of spite.
 
Why? What did he do? He had a listening device in his bug? Like the dozen others that were in the walls? Oh, I smell treason worthy of capital punishment!...

Please show where the show demonstrated listening devices anywhere other than on Stuart.

Who's saying that?

I'm saying that STD is not a very good TV series. It's a bog-standard, undistinguished time-killer of the kind that the CBS network specializes in: CSI, Blue Bloods, Scorpion, Hawaii Five-O, take your pick. The corporation craps this stuff out.

Wow, seriously, you are comparing Discovery to Scorpion? Now I have a good standard for evaluating your opinions from now on...handy.
 
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Sex with a Klingon cannot be safe because Starfleet Medical is a century behind in cataloguing Klingon social diseases, and how a human (others too) would react to communicating with unknown genital viruses and fungi... Oh? Did I say fungus?

Tyler should be in quarantine, or failing that, locked into chastity with a transparent aluminium cockbox, or failing that, black listed on the public address system as a dirty man possibly full of Deadly Klingon stds.

It's just something stupid to have told Lorca.

Tyler now has a mushroom head of a different kind
 
One commonality I'm finding is that the majority of people who don't like DIS are TNG fans. This is definitely NOT the show for you if you're wanting a show similiar to that. This is much more DS9 than TNG. Probably explains why I like it because DS9 is my favorite Trek series

I think you hit it on the head. Anecdotal it may be, but I've noticed that too amongst my family/friends, as well. In fact, I've received some flack myself for liking DSC because I'm a Niner.
 
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