Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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What evidence do you have that Mudd in particular faced torture and certain death?
He did not have so much as a bruise on him. The people who faced certain torture and death was anyone who wound up in Mudd's cell with him, because he never hesitated a second to point to them and tell the Klingons to torture them instead of himself, even when the other person was clearly close to death.
It is even possible that Mudd was never actually a prisoner there. He is enough of a scoundrel and con-man that he might have gone and sold his services to the Klingons of his own free will for the right "price".
Ah, that someone was part of the plan to torture Lorca and get valuable intellegence from him.
Do you think he wants to be an asset? Given a choice wouldn't he want his freedom and some fembots instead?
Mudd may have had a bomb in the back of his neck, or being carrying a deadly poison that he needs a shot to keep in remission once a week. We don't know how he was compromised, or if he was tagged.
Besides... What about poor Stuart? Lorca doomed him too.
To train a dumb bug might have taken months, or was Stuart a person?
Besides... What about poor Stuart? Lorca doomed him too.
To train a dumb bug might have taken months, or was Stuart a person?
He tries that a decade later and winds with a planet full of copies of his shrewish wife. He was better off the Klingons. He probably thinks more fondly of Lorca than Kirk.
Not that I know of. In one of the first episodes, the Klingon speaking over the view screen (which would be post-processed by the nature of the scene) sounded much clearer than he did the rest of the time. I think those kind of scenes are the only exceptions.
Nonsense, this is ten years before ship bridge crews routinely survived adventures that killed multiple members of the rest of the crew and were still able to have a good laugh at the end of shift.
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This. Calling people horrible, or questioning their morals and making statements insinuating that fans of discovery are akin to trump supporters (as I've seen posters do in other threads), because they like a different tv show than you is pretty uncalled for. Insulting people is not a good way to get people to understand your point of view. Just take it down a notch.
We aren't talking about real people, they are fictional characters. People like fictional characters be they heroes or villain or somewhere in between for any number of reasons. Someone liking Lorca doesn't make them any more morally bankrupt than someone liking Picard makes them morally superior.
FFS, stop being so personally affronted that people are enjoying a tv show that you aren't.
That is so very well said.
It is really difficult to understand the sentiment that some seem to have: "I hate something, therefore you must hate it as well."
I really did not like the first season of TNG. Guess what? I don't watch it. There is a subforum on this site for TNG discussion -- I don't go there since I mostly didn't like that show. What positive purpose would there be for me to just go into an area where obviously most of the people like it and try to demand that they hate it? That would just be silly and childish.
Agreed. Constructive criticism is one thing. I was quite critical of the first two episodes myself and still think they were bad for selling this series to an audience. But some of the comments I've read here show people taking this stuff WAY too serious.
One commonality I'm finding is that the majority of people who don't like DIS are TNG fans. This is definitely NOT the show for you if you're wanting a show similiar to that. This is much more DS9 than TNG. Probably explains why I like it because DS9 is my favorite Trek series
Discovery is still not wowing me. I was disappointed how they treated the Tardigrade. But I guess they redeemed themselves in the end.
There were times I could see some of the original Harry Mudd. But they have made him more sinister than the original.
Lorka gets more despicable every episode. I've watched it twice, but missed
Saru's ganglia is getting annoying. As is Burnham's refusal to follow orders. Burnham used to be someone I liked. But now the only likable character I see on the show is the doctor.
There were times I could see some of the original Harry Mudd. But they have made him more sinister than the original.
Lorka gets more despicable every episode. I've watched it twice, but missed
why he escaped the loss of his previous ship. I understand what he did. But why did he choose to escape and not share the same fate as his crew?
Saru's ganglia is getting annoying. As is Burnham's refusal to follow orders. Burnham used to be someone I liked. But now the only likable character I see on the show is the doctor.
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You may be happy being forced to teach your children Klingoneese, but I am NOT.
I definitely want to see an explanation for that as well because that's far more disturbing than what he did to Mudd. I have a feeling we won't figure it out until the end of the season.
Half the crew had had their legs sawn off for lunchmeat, so they couldn't escape.
Lorca escaped the brig, fights his way to the shuttle bay, activates the self destruct, which takes out the docked Klingon ship, and he flies to safety.
Lorca escaped the brig, fights his way to the shuttle bay, activates the self destruct, which takes out the docked Klingon ship, and he flies to safety.
Great. Now i've got the image of Stamets hanging from by his underwear on a chest-high coat hook with the computer voice saying "NERD!!!!"Well, it COULD have been worse - they could have decided to show the device giving the integrated navigator a Wedgie...
Mudd was the only one in that cell who showed no signs of ever having been tortured. For all Lorca can tell, he's actively colluding with Klingon intelligence. Bring him along just because he happens to be a human? Fuck that. Mudd's working for/with the Klingons, which means he can stay right the hell where he is.
The concept of a bathroom is beyond Klingons.
It's a novel concept, isn't it?
I don't like Voyager...go count how many posts I have in that sub forum. I don't find it strangely therapeutic to continuously complain about that which I do not like. I don't continue to expose myself to stuff I don't like. And I certainly don't fruitlessly try to convince others to dislike something just because I do.
Odd behavior...
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