If wishes were horses...
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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If wishes were horses...
I come here for the nitpicky conversation, as I am a nitpicker.
But in reality it's a poor comparison. Orville compares more with TNG or shows like X-Files, contained episodes with an occasional repeating plot sprinkled in.
Discovery compares more with Netflix's Marvel shows or stretches of DS9.
In my not so humble opinion.
If I were to rate on pure enjoyment, and I was told I could only pick one to watch, and I didn't do a podcast on discovery every week and I was picking for pure minute to minute enjoyment then I'd right now take Orville.
The world right now is full of hate, and everything IMO is too serious. Good humor isn't just going to the curb, humor in general is being weighed down under veiled dislike for this type of person or that type of person or this ideal or that ideal. Seinfeld couldn't get made today, it's not PC enough already, and it isn't divisive enough to give people a side to choose to make them feel good about themselves.
I like Discovery right now but Orville is a breath of fresh air for me.
Haven’t seen anything of Orville in this country yet, but I am afraid his description of the events in DSC are accurate. However it was resolved, multiple Federation Starfleet characters have been shown behaving in a manner not exactly in line with the other series, repeatedly. It is also part of its overall tone problem...Trek was something passed parent to child for nearly forty years, and DISC simply isn’t suitable for family viewing. The Tardigrade was not a Horta situation.
I have seen only the first episode of the Orville, and bar some language and suggestive scenes that might not be great for younger viewers, it is a lot more accessible to them.
I do not take the approach that only one of thes shows can ‘win’ , but from a certain point of view, The Orville already has. DSC is in danger of being bread and circuses, and I don’t mean the episode with the Son/Sun in.
Other aspects come down to preference of the viewer.
The Orville isn't empirically, demonstrably great. There's no one thing you can point to that makes it so, but it has crept into my mind the way that great things do.
Since we're talking about art, and entertainment which isn't bound by much under the word "empirical", wouldn't the fact it creeps into your mind the way great things do make it great?
I think the humor is great.
I don't think there is a way to empirically demonstrate the greatness of any art or art form, though that would be a great discussion in and of itself.
Really? Name four of them... Case closed.
So far, a lot more characters HAVE acted like the Starfleet we've known.
And when I think about, go back to the other series and count how many questionable captains and Admirals we've encountered....
You ran out of arguments quickly...
Burnham, Georgiou, Lorca, dead security girl whose name I didn’t learn, let’s be honest...it’s basically everyone. Assaulting their crew mates, hiding bombs in bodies, torturing or intending to torture other beings....and any questionable captains or admirals in the earlier shows are usually not leads, and usually in an antagonist role in a given story. This show so far is like the Equinox from Voyager, only with none of the mitigating circumstance and no ‘good’ Starfleet crew stopping them.
This may turn out fine down the line, but so far, I am unimpressed.
Case Won, since I named your four?
God forbid Trek introduces questionable characters into the main cast instead of always regulating them to one off guest appearances.
Gawd, fans can be annoyingly rigid.
Gawd, fans can be annoyingly rigid.
Georgiou? Case lost. If she qualifies for trying to survive, then ALL ST captains are immoral... Kirk blew up his ship with Klingons inside...... the fact that you mention Georgiou proves to me you're just looking...
You're right of course. I used those words pretty abstractly.
Two whole episodes devoted to 'good' characters trying to stop the abuse of the water bear... with flat out lying about what DSC ACTUALLY shows you're not convincing me, sorry.
Crew. Whole crew. The Voyager in the example I am citing, I make no comments about the few ‘good’ acts of the officers in DSC, as I say, it may all pan out well. It’s a serial. But it’s not lying, those events happened, and keep happening, in the episodes we have seen so far. The DSC crew is the most unlikeable in Trek history, out of the gate. Maybe they will get better.
She put an explosive in a corpse while it was being collected on a battlefield.
Kirk destroyed his ships while Klingons were aboard...its a bit different. Kirks Ship was, essentially, his ship. The Klingon corpse, was essentially, T’Kuvmas.
It's not unlikeable to me. You can state it like it's fact, but it's just your opinion. And to be fair, we're both looking through different lenses. You want to see the negative, I want to see the positive. Guess that's we just don't connect on this. But you're probably a nice guy!
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